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How to fortify and defend when down hill?

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#1 ·
Hi, my property is bordered by a large river on the Northern, Eastern, and Western sides (its essentially a peninsula), but the Southern edge of my property is against a steep hill (meaning everyone else is above me). What are the best ways to fortify the property with this down hill disadvantage? The property is around 30 acres, so the the border I'm concerned about is probably over 1,000 feet long and includes the road entering the prop.
 
#3 ·
Is it possible to buy the hill? If not look at the most likely avenues of approach for placement of alarms and booby traps. Also modification of routes to a predetermined kill zone.
 
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#4 ·
Empty land, heavy brush and trees, houses on hill above you? Kinda vague. If you can get onto the property, look for likely cover and concealment and see what vantage it gives looking onto your property, "If I were going to attack my house from here where would I be" kinda thing.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Moving is not a consideration. The hillside is our property. It's quite steep (ranges between 75% and 150% grade) and is forested (not heavily). At the top is a state Rd and behind that a vertical cliff with houses on it. So no one living where they can just walk out their door and to our place, but they can watch us pretty well. Unfortunately the road above gets lots of traffic. What about a natural fence such as some sort of thorny tall bramble (that won't weed/invade beyond where I plant it)? I'd like wildlife to be able to move in and out, but not humans.
 
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Well, if the SHTF and security is a concern, looks like you've found your lookout/overwatch spot, doesn't it?

If you are REALLY worried about it, and you own the hill, then construct a couple of hedgerows with multi-flora rose outside of a row of matting plants on the far one up the hill and something like thorny berries (edible) on the one closer to the house.
 
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Install range markers on the trees up the hill so if you have to snipe, you have the ranges already laid out.

Determine the best spots that an attacker would use up on the hill and decomission/booby trap them (or ruin them with a wasps nest or a bucket of crap)

The hill is good for shelling you, and sniping from above, but eventually they will wanna come down the hill, d when they do you will be able to predict their general path. Mine it, modify it, or build your defensive plan around ambushing them when they do.

Down here we have something called cat claw, and some Mesquite trees specialize in thorns so big they will easily penetrate boots. Jumping Cactus works great for keeping people out of specific areas. You prolly have poison sumac n such.

Install and conceal one of those wireless gate sensors up in the trees. You will hear the chime whenever people are messing around up there.

Get a big, ugly pit bull from the pound. There are lotsa those.
 
#13 ·
Fire?
 
#14 · (Edited)
You could also set up a ghillie netting screen..


Dig canals that can double for irrigation, drainage and defence



Drop seeds on the hill.

You can also set up rockwalls.


The more loose rock at steep points will make the terrain dangerous to traverse. You don't want rock slides but smaller rocks gravel you may be able to source from the road siding in shtf

Trip lines too




Grasses burn fast if the are about knee length



A 10 meter canal by 3 m deep along the edge front that is open will keep most casual people out and can act as a fish chokepoint



look up moat defences moats can get very dangerous with pungees etc..

Ghillie Netting at key areas is one but natural vegetation. earth houses green plant roofing will camp you from birds eye



Using a directed beam motion detector or decible sensor may help


Hiding your visibility can go a long way. A no tress passing sign or in shtf minefield toxic waste storage sight sign may help
 
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Defensive positions when downhill must have special consideration for the fact that those above you can see over your normal rock walls. So when you build fortifications at the bottom of a hill they need to be slanted away from the hill, and taller than normal. This provides lots of benefits. 1. If they roll rocks down on you the shape of your bunker will allow them to roll over you more and crush your wall/you less. The slant also compensates for the loss of cover from above. I'll try to draw a picture to demonstrate what I mean.
 
#17 ·
It should be relatively easy to block lines of sight with plantings. A hill they can't see you from loses its tactical advantage.
 
#21 ·
I guess like others have said, your best option is an aggressive planting campaign to screen your place coupled with briar thickets on the outskirts (ever walked through a briar thicket hunting rabbits? Hell on earth!) Dont discount that river. I would count on you doing that and use it against you if I were the type to use force to steal from others.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Get some of these Chamberlain CWA2000 Wireless Motion Alert System

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002ISVJL6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and some rechargeable batteries. A set of rechargeable batteries last me about 3 months so I swap them out every quarter. You don't have to set them all up since the animals can trip them (deer sometimes trip mine) but they are inexpensive enough that tossing a few in the closet won't break the bank. Then if times get bad you can mount them across trails and the driveway after painting them a flat black color. Since each base station can handle up to 8 sensors and each sensor beeps a different number of times I can tell which sensor has been tripped so I know where to look after hearing the beeps.
They can be placed several hundred yards from the house. My furthest one is about 150 yds from the house and down the hill and works fine, your maximum distance may vary depending on your terrain.

While these aren't an active defense they give you warning that you have a visitor. I've used them to discourage people trying to use my dumpster at night. They're surprised when I walk up to them at 11pm and catch the kids dumping beer cans they are trying to hide from their parents.

addition,,, Just looked at these online and see that the pricing has made a huge jump so they may be a little to pricy to keep several spare units buried in the closet.
 
#25 ·
That sounds sorta like the old irresistible force meeting the immoveable obstacle. Think I would spend efforts to make friends with the the suspected possible alleged perps occupying the high ground in case the creek rises Take them a pan of brownies occasionally..jug of home made wine etc. Once the water recedes you should have a some real fertile ground to grow stuff. Yall need to get to be pals.
 
#27 · (Edited)
So it's about a 300 foot length hillside face with about a 53.33% slope (or more in some areas). You couldn't see someone at the bottom of the hill because of the trees, but you can see farther out from the bottom to where our buildings/house is. From the top of the hill the buildings range from 350 ft to 1,200 ft away.
 
#28 ·
Sun tzu.. Take the high ground