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One thing socialism, Communism and Fascism has in common is the indoctrination of Children. One of the reason this administration is so against home schooling. Especially since home schooled children excel over public schools. Ohio is testing the water for other states.
SB 248 is breathtakingly onerous in its scope. It requires all parents who homeschool to undergo a social services investigation which would ultimately determine if homeschooling would be permitted. Social workers would have to interview parents and children separately, conduct background checks and determine whether homeschooling is recommended or not. If it is not recommended, parents would have to submit to an "intervention" before further consideration of their request to homeschool.

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I would schedule my meeting for 12:30 (after lunch) and then make sure I was out of the jurisdiction by 6:00AM.
Are we in Germany? is the date 1929? When are people going to say enough!?
 

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One thing socialism, Communism and Fascism has in common is the indoctrination of Children. One of the reason this administration is so against home schooling. Especially since home schooled children excel over public schools. Ohio is testing the water for other states.
SB 248 is breathtakingly onerous in its scope. It requires all parents who homeschool to undergo a social services investigation which would ultimately determine if homeschooling would be permitted. Social workers would have to interview parents and children separately, conduct background checks and determine whether homeschooling is recommended or not. If it is not recommended, parents would have to submit to an "intervention" before further consideration of their request to homeschool.

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One more way to intimidate parents into submitting their children for indoctrination. it's a damn disgrace and its time for people to stand up and be heard. Social services ever get involved in your life you will never get rid of them….
 
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i have no real issue with public education, but only because of my modern history teacher (was a well worded conspiracy nut) the biggest thing drilled into us was "question everything, and no matter what, never trust the government"

followed by a few cold war "conspiracy theories" and proved one right (couldn't believe it)

but on track any parent that home schools, hats off to you, I couldn't do it, and as long as they are learning what is needed to pass high school... there is nothing anyone should say about it

oh I believe it's the parents job to teach children "question everything".... (and hopefully a good school teacher reinforces it)
 

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This does not surprise me coming from Ohio. I guess it was a better place to grow up in, than live. I was just having a discussion today at work with one of our Special Education teachers about the "Common Core" program. I work with several teachers who are against this program for several reasons, including what they perceive as indoctrination.

What has been missed by most, is when you teach EVERYONE the SAME THING across the board, you have no diversity in education. You have no independent thinking. You have no new ideas. EVERYTHING is the SAME. What's that sound like? COMM(unism)ON CORE. It is progressive socialism at its best. Individuality is being obliterated. And it is being replaced with teachings of the COMMON GOOD (CORE).

While I believe in common things that are for the good of our country such as prosperity, liberty, and freedom, I cannot support an educational system that strips away individuality and independent thinking for the COMMON GOOD (CORE) as it is identified by our government.

The demise of our educational system is due to one thing; No Child Left Behind legislation. The government has perverted the education systems "Natural Selection" process. Not every child will succeed. Not every child will comprehend the material and curriculum. Not every child wants to be in school. They are dumbing down the curriculum to bare minimum standards in order to give those who would be lost through "Natural Selection" a fighting chance and some self esteem. Today's "Advanced Placement" curriculum was the standard curriculum 25 years ago. We reward mediocrity, we fail to prepare our children for college and we release hoards of functionally illiterate children with high school diploma's into our society.

I have personally watched students walk in graduation ceremonies and receive their full blown "I passed high school" diploma, after taking a 3rd grade level competency exam, that was read to them because they could not read (after failing to pass a 4th grade level competency exam) JUST LIKE THE CLASS VALEDICTORIAN WHO WORKED THEIR ASS OFF AND PULLED A 4.0 GPA. Same ultimate reward, much, much different path taken to obtain it.

Many students who leave our schools can barely function in a 100 level course at a Junior or "Community" College. Places we used to refer to as "The 13th grade". They are incapable of performing academically because we have had liberals, socialists, progressives and communist's infiltrate and seize our education system and do nothing but attempt to create a world of hugs and balloons filled with false promises and unfounded hope.

I have assured our wife that when Common Core is in full implentation, we will be home schooling our children. They will learn my values, not the ones our government says they should have.
 

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Todays schools teach children to be little liberal drones....
 

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This does not surprise me coming from Ohio. I guess it was a better place to grow up in, than live. I was just having a discussion today at work with one of our Special Education teachers about the "Common Core" program. I work with several teachers who are against this program for several reasons, including what they perceive as indoctrination.

What has been missed by most, is when you teach EVERYONE the SAME THING across the board, you have no diversity in education. You have no independent thinking. You have no new ideas. EVERYTHING is the SAME. What's that sound like? COMM(unism)ON CORE. It is progressive socialism at its best. Individuality is being obliterated. And it is being replaced with teachings of the COMMON GOOD (CORE).

While I believe in common things that are for the good of our country such as prosperity, liberty, and freedom, I cannot support an educational system that strips away individuality and independent thinking for the COMMON GOOD (CORE) as it is identified by our government.

The demise of our educational system is due to one thing; No Child Left Behind legislation. The government has perverted the education systems "Natural Selection" process. Not every child will succeed. Not every child will comprehend the material and curriculum. Not every child wants to be in school. They are dumbing down the curriculum to bare minimum standards in order to give those who would be lost through "Natural Selection" a fighting chance and some self esteem. Today's "Advanced Placement" curriculum was the standard curriculum 25 years ago. We reward mediocrity, we fail to prepare our children for college and we release hoards of functionally illiterate children with high school diploma's into our society.

I have personally watched students walk in graduation ceremonies and receive their full blown "I passed high school" diploma, after taking a 3rd grade level competency exam, that was read to them because they could not read (after failing to pass a 4th grade level competency exam) JUST LIKE THE CLASS VALEDICTORIAN WHO WORKED THEIR ASS OFF AND PULLED A 4.0 GPA. Same ultimate reward, much, much different path taken to obtain it.

Many students who leave our schools can barely function in a 100 level course at a Junior or "Community" College. Places we used to refer to as "The 13th grade". They are incapable of performing academically because we have had liberals, socialists, progressives and communist's infiltrate and seize our education system and do nothing but attempt to create a world of hugs and balloons filled with false promises and unfounded hope.

I have assured our wife that when Common Core is in full implentation, we will be home schooling our children. They will learn my values, not the ones our government says they should have.
yea I worked with a yank that said the same thing followed with "no one gets left behind syndrome"

the education system is failing in western countries.... but there are some quality schools still around
 

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Not on New Mexico... the elementary school my daughter goes to was a blue ribbon when she was on first grade. It has completely gone down hill with the third principal in three years. Thankfully, she had an excellent teacher this year and she is becoming more in tune with world events. It really is up to the parents to reinforcement values, character and a good work ethic.
 

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i have no real issue with public education, but only because of my modern history teacher (was a well worded conspiracy nut) the biggest thing drilled into us was "question everything, and no matter what, never trust the government"

followed by a few cold war "conspiracy theories" and proved one right (couldn't believe it)

but on track any parent that home schools, hats off to you, I couldn't do it, and as long as they are learning what is needed to pass high school... there is nothing anyone should say about it

oh I believe it's the parents job to teach children "question everything".... (and hopefully a good school teacher reinforces it)
Why set the learning bar so low for educating your children. To meet that standard you would only need a couple hours a week of school if you take out all the bull shit the schools push.
 

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Not on New Mexico... the elementary school my daughter goes to was a blue ribbon when she was on first grade. It has completely gone down hill with the third principal in three years. Thankfully, she had an excellent teacher this year and she is becoming more in tune with world events. It really is up to the parents to reinforcement values, character and a good work ethic.
I am on my eighth Assistant Principal in four years. The two that were here when I started left, replaced by two new ones, one left, one transferred in. Both of them were transferred to other schools in the district, so two more came in. One of those took a directors position in the district and another was brought in to replace her. I'm also on my 5th Student Counselor.

But by George we've had the same principal since the place opened in 2007. It also used to be Nike Missile Launch Site #92. Yep, a nuclear launch site surrounded by rural, residential neighborhoods was turned into a school. I had no idea it was ever there and now I wonder where the nearest one to my house is.
 

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I home schooled and privately educated my 5 children, the youngest just graduated so I guess I am OK.

My simple answer to this problem is this...

IF the state comes in and shuts down your homeschool and DEMANDS you send your kids to public school....

Put a pop-tart in his lunch on day 1 in the shape of a gun....

Instant 1 year suspension, they come home and you home school.

Push comes to shove and that doesn't work just tell your kid to hug his teacher...

Just saying, there are a hundred ways to get kicked out of school.
 

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Why set the learning bar so low for educating your children. To meet that standard you would only need a couple hours a week of school if you take out all the bull shit the schools push.
need to start somewhere... but here the bar is a little higher than a few hours a week for a pass (we actually test students and have a "pass" or "fail" grade, (a-f but in a % form) could have changed over the past 10 years, but I doubt it
 

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I home schooled and privately educated my 5 children, the youngest just graduated so I guess I am OK.

My simple answer to this problem is this...

IF the state comes in and shuts down your homeschool and DEMANDS you send your kids to public school....

Put a pop-tart in his lunch on day 1 in the shape of a gun....

Instant 1 year suspension, they come home and you home school.

Push comes to shove and that doesn't work just tell your kid to hug his teacher...

Just saying, there are a hundred ways to get kicked out of school.
encourage a screaming match with the teacher that ends in violence (any form) kid is blacklisted form the public system (don't work once, go again)

outside that, illegal drugs work, swearing is good... the list goes on
 

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I home schooled and privately educated my 5 children, the youngest just graduated so I guess I am OK.

My simple answer to this problem is this...

IF the state comes in and shuts down your homeschool and DEMANDS you send your kids to public school....

Put a pop-tart in his lunch on day 1 in the shape of a gun....

Instant 1 year suspension, they come home and you home school.

Push comes to shove and that doesn't work just tell your kid to hug his teacher...

Just saying, there are a hundred ways to get kicked out of school.
Recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and if that doesn't get them, include "under God" ...
 

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One thing socialism, Communism and Fascism has in common is the indoctrination of Children. One of the reason this administration is so against home schooling. Especially since home schooled children excel over public schools. Ohio is testing the water for other states.
SB 248 is breathtakingly onerous in its scope. It requires all parents who homeschool to undergo a social services investigation which would ultimately determine if homeschooling would be permitted. Social workers would have to interview parents and children separately, conduct background checks and determine whether homeschooling is recommended or not. If it is not recommended, parents would have to submit to an "intervention" before further consideration of their request to homeschool.

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How is something like this even being considered? If the law passes there has to be at least one clever lawyer that could challenge it on so many levels.
 

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Part of Ohio's problem goes back to the 60's and early 70's and the Vietnam war.

There were a lot of folks here against it, . . . didn't riot, . . . just found ways other than going to Canada to get around it.

A big BUNCH of them got into college, . . . signed up for the "teacher" curriculum, . . . and unfortunately it put a know-nothing / value-nothing / uphold-nothing kid in a class with others like him / her, . . . and generally taught by instructors and professors of the same persuasion.

Example: it was not a Sunday School class that caused the Kent State student riots that ultimately ended in the shooting.

NOW, . . . the remainder of the dregs of those classes are the senior teachers / administrators / guidance counselors who are wanting to leave some kind of legacy behind and this bad law and line of thinking is just up their alley, . . . therefore they are all for it.

I suspect most of my old teachers have rolled face down in their caskets having seen what is being foisted upon kids and called ecucation today.

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I think that there are other factors involved, including the teacher's unions applying pressure. The number of teachers is dependent upon the number of students. Fewer students, fewer dues paying teachers. Also, how does it make public schools look when parents at home teach their children. who then consistently score higher on tests then those students in the public schools? To them it must look something akin to a pickup football team in a park coming in and beating a NFL team. The "amateurs" are kicking the "pros" butts. Next look for them to start trying to shut down private schools/Catholic schools. They have made public schools look bad for decades. Just a funny little story, years ago I lived in Savannah, Ga. where 86% of the public school teachers sent THEIR children to private schools. What does that tell you.
 

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This is so sad the dereliction of government in not intervening for Teddy to protect him from abusive adults is now being utilized to justify government meddling and obstruction of nurturing parents.
 

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I would bet there would be a lot more kids home schooled if the parents knew more about it. Many parents think they need to be a teacher or well versed in all the subjects their children are taught.
 
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