[bigwheel]

This might make a chapter in one of Mookie Spalains crime books. Ya just never know.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mickey_Spillane

Vengeance is Mine! (1950)

The guy was dead as hell. He lay on the floor in his pajamas with his brains scattered all over the rug and my gun was in his hand. I kept rubbing my face to wipe out the fuzz that clouded my mind but the cops wouldn't let me. One would pull my hand away and shout a question at me that made my head ache even worse and another would slap me with a wet rag until I felt like I had been split wide open.

I couldn't think. I couldn't remember. I was wound up like a spring and ready to bust. All I could see was the dead guy in the middle of the room and my gun. My gun! Somebody grabbed at my arm and hauled me upright and the questions started again. That was as much as I could take. I gave a hell of a kick and a fat face in a fedora pulled back out of focus and started to groan, all doubled up. Maybe I laughed, I don't know.

Rainey, you've forgotten something. You've forgotten that I'm not a guy that takes any crap. Not from anybody. You've forgotten I've been in business because I stayed alive longer than some guys who didn't want me that way. You've forgotten that I've had some punks tougher than you'll ever be on the end of a gun and I pulled the trigger just to watch their expressions change.

 

[Verba Bellum]

Vengeance is Mine! (1950) .

Looks like a good read. I'll have to check it out.

 

[Back Pack Hack]

If you dispense a freedom seed in self-defense, just tell the cops who you are and nothing more. Remember, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

 

[Camel923]

Any cop and prosecutors will use whatever you say against you. Right and wrong mean nothing to the anti gun crowd. You alive and ok but 2k poorer for the experience. The problems are laws and lawyers who will subvert common sense and the second amendment. This is why who you vote for and actively help get elected is important. The right people in positions of power and this doesn’t cost two grand and months of aggravation.

Fact is you have to watch what you say and how you say it. Delay making the statement by being shock up or needing medical attention until you get an attorney or speak to whom decides if you going home tonight. Being excited your story may differ between cops and that my friends means jail for you.

 

[Piratesailor]

Just a thought here.. I’m in Texas, I use Texas law Shield for any potential instances like this one. It’s under $10 per month. If you carry it’s cheap insurance.

The one thing that TLS does instruct there customers is after an incident, and when the police arrive, the only statement should be, “I want to talk to my lawyer” and NOTHING MORE.

The order of calls should be 911 to report the incident, then hang up and call TLS or your lawyer.

No matter the state, there are district attorneys who are liberal, anti-gun and try to make a name for themselves. They will, if possible, press forward with a grand jury. A grand jury legal fees can run up to $100k.

Something to think about.

And I’m glad it ultimately turned out well for you. You must not be in Terrant county....

 

[Verba Bellum]

. You must not be in Terrant county....

El Paso

 

[bgreed]

There are officers on the command staff of police departments who don't like the rights granted to you by the constitution, and are willing to use the power of the state to try to take them from you.

Let's get one thing straight. Rights are not granted to you by the US Constitution. You are born with these rights. That is why they are called unalienable rights. The US Constitution recognizes those rights.

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[MaterielGeneral]

There are officers on the command staff of police departments who don't like the rights granted to you by the constitution, and are willing to use the power of the state to try to take them from you.

Let's get one thing straight. Rights are not granted to you by the US Constitution. You are born with these rights. That is why they are called unalienable rights. The US Constitution recognizes those rights.

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True, I agree with you. But, that don't mean squat today. You have to have it in writing and that's what the constitution does. Prosecutors and certain cops will F you as much as they can and your constitutional rights are there to say wait a minute, back up. Its pretty sad todays criminal justice system considers you guilty until you are proven innocent and can bankrupt you at the whim of some POS prosecutor. Its a long story but the short version is I had a self defense incident and was guilty the whole process of the system until the jury came back with Not Guilty. I got over my hate towards cops but I still hate prosecutors.

 

[MaterielGeneral]

"Discharging a firearm in certain municipalities"

Pocket sized print off, laminate and put in your wallet/purse, vehicle, bedroom, near your most widely used exterior door. Basically put it where you will have access to it. Below is the statement and an abbreviated to do list. Familiarize yourself with the above to do list so you can better relate it to the abbreviated list.

Front
"I would like to speak to an attorney before
I provide a written statement or answer any
questions. But I want you to know that I am
the victim of this crime and that I was afraid
for my life. I felt that if I did not defend myself
the criminal was going to kill me. I will fully
cooperate with your investigation and I will sign
the complaint against the criminal. But because
the issue is so serious I would like to consult with
an attorney before answering any additional
questions."

Back
Stop the threat, kick the criminals weapon away
from him and do not touch. When scene is safe,
make a brief video and pictures of the scene
for your attorney. Forward email/text to 3rd party.
Render 1st Aid to assailant/victims. Show officers
evidence on scene. Any casualties and if you
received wounds. Point out any surveillance
cameras and any witnesses If witness leave take a
picture of them/plate number. Get names of
officers/badge# and the incident report number
for attorney. Watch your words and actions.
Watch for interrogation techniques Stand by
your decision to remain silent until you speak to
your attorney. You have a legal right to remain
silent, hold your ground, do it firmly but with
respect.

Try to video tape this statement and reactions.
1. I do not consent to searches.
2. I am not speaking to you or answering any questions and I want to speak to an attorney.
3. I do not agree to stay here with you for any reason. Are you detaining me or am I free to go?

 

[MisterMills357]

Oh, and I almost forgot lesson learned? We're guilty until proven innocent.

Yes, you are guilty until you are proven innocent.

 

[Big Boy in MO]

El Paso

OR Bandera or Kerr

 

[Wedrownik]

Easy to be an armchair quarterback but here's my thoughts about this:
1. As everyone else said - keep your trap shut, ask for lawyer
2. Theory is that if you are safe enough to offer a warning shot, you are not in fear of your life.
3. If he's charging you and way behind him are other folks are you that unsure of your shot placement that you can't do two to the body?
4. Next time drive to a local police station

 

[MisterMills357]

Easy to be an armchair quarterback but here's my thoughts about this:
1. As everyone else said - keep your trap shut, ask for lawyer
2. Theory is that if you are safe enough to offer a warning shot, you are not in fear of your life.
3. If he's charging you and way behind him are other folks are you that unsure of your shot placement that you can't do two to the body?
4. Next time drive to a local police station

Distance cuts both ways, and the farther away he is, the safer you are. And that is how people look at distance. But, the closer he comes to you the easier it is to use deadly & effective force. If he piled into me, I would put some bullets into him at point blank.

The attacker is risking life and limb when he closes in: but the common thought that people have, that they don’t want to get hurt. The defender typically does not want to be knifed, and that will paralyze a lot of people.

But what about you as the defender? A defender can stop an attacker if they keep their heads, and counter attack. Which in this case means shooting the bastards at close range.

 

[MisterMills357]

The fourth take away, Pistol whip the MFER and drive home safely, without reporting nuthin.

That's the spirit! But keep in mind that a gun leaves marks on a body. I was watching a cop show, and it was a homicide. And on the guys head, we're perfect marks from a1911.

The body marks were from the magazine well and magazine. Someone had beat the hell out of him and then shot him. Then they dumped the body, but it was easy for the cops to identify what kind of gun was used.

Anyway, I can’t remember if they found the attacker, but if he had the pistol on him, it would have been a clincher.

 

[bigwheel]

Never tried restarting an old conversation with a banned person. Good job.

 

[Wedrownik]

A very valid point - but there are important lessons to be learned here 😉

 

[Deebo]

Always wondered what happened.
As I re read all the comments, in my rationing now, i would never pistol whip a person.(wink and touch nose).
I will start a new thread on a recent event.
Lets try to nor get banned.

 

[wraithofroncollins]

$2,000, 2 months, and 2 court hearings later, the case gets dismissed. But this liberal investigator still wants to keep my guns. I had to get my lawyer to threaten her for violating my 4th Amendment right against unreasonable seizures... I should get my guns back tomorrow... the excitement is keeping me awake. Oh how I missed them. I'll be at the range AS SOON as they are placed back in my arms...

WHAT... A.... MESS!!

Oh, and I almost forgot to mention... I lost my job as result.

What's the lesson learned? We're guilty until proven innocent.

Let me tell you the reality of the legal system, its a joke... Not only are you guilty until proven innocent but, no one investigates. They charge you first and make you prove them wrong. Good luck bro.