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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
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Not sure what you're hoping for here, but I will support anyone who goes after and stops socialists, communists, fascists, and any other such ideology.
I will not ally myself with the lesser of evils just to hope my own skin is saved later.

Stand for what is right, even if you stand alone.
 

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It's pretty bad when you can't see the connection with today's vilification of those of us that don't think like the current batch of fools in Washington
 

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From wiki...
"First they came …" is the poetic form of a 1946 post-war confessional prose by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It is about the silence of German intellectuals and certain clergy—including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself—following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt, repentance, and personal responsibility.

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Martin Niemöller was a German Lutheran pastor and theologian born in Lippstadt, Germany, in 1892. Niemöller was an anti-Communist and supported Adolf Hitler's rise to power. But when, after he came to power, Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler. In 1937 he was arrested and eventually confined in Sachsenhausen and Dachau. He was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a clergyman and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II.
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I cite the above to point out, that man was an idiot. They Nazi came for the socialists, because they were also socialists... The Nazi's came for the trade unionists because the Nationalsozialismus were also trade unionists.

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The German Workers' Party (German: Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP) was a short-lived far-right political party established in Weimar Germany after World War I. It was the precursor of the Nazi Party, which was officially known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP). The DAP only lasted from 5 January 1919 until 24 February 1920.


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The German Workers' Party (German: Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, DAP) was a short-lived far-right political party established in Weimar Germany after World War I. It was the precursor of the Nazi Party, which was officially known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, NSDAP). The DAP only lasted from 5 January 1919 until 24 February 1920.
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So the first two was controlled opposition, and the last was what happens when Satan's minions take power...

Also from Wiki: Nazis...

The full name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (English: National Socialist German Workers' Party) and they officially used the acronym NSDAP. The term "Nazi" was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant, characterising an awkward and clumsy person, a yokel. In this sense, the word Nazi was a hypocorism of the German male name Igna(t)z (itself a variation of the name Ignatius)—Igna(t)z being a common name at the time in Bavaria, the area from which the NSDAP emerged.[11][12]

In the 1920s, political opponents of the NSDAP in the German labour movement seized on this. Using the earlier abbreviated term "Sozi" for Sozialist (English: Socialist) as an example,[13] they shortened the NSDAP's name, Nationalsozialistische, to the dismissive "Nazi", in order to associate them with the derogatory use of the term mentioned above.[14][12][15][16][17][18] The first use of the term "Nazi" by the National Socialists occurred in 1926 in a publication by Joseph Goebbels called Der Nazi-Sozi ["The Nazi-Sozi"]. In Goebbels' pamphlet, the word "Nazi" only appears when linked with the word "Sozi" as an abbreviation of "National Socialism".[19]

After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime" and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. From them, the term spread into other languages and it was eventually brought back into Germany after World War II.[15] The NSDAP briefly adopted the designation "Nazi" in an attempt to reappropriate the term, but it soon gave up this effort and generally avoided using the term while it was in power.[15][16] In each case, the authors typically referred to themselves as "National Socialists" and their movement as "National Socialism", but never as "Nazis." A compendium of Hitler's conversations from 1941 through 1944 entitled Hitler's Table Talk does not contain the word "Nazi" either.[20] In speeches by Hermann Göring, he never uses the term "Nazi."[21] Hitler Youth leader Melita Maschmann wrote a book about her experience entitled Account Rendered.[22] She did not refer to herself as a "Nazi", even though she was writing well after World War II. In 1933, 581 members of the National Socialist Party answered interview questions put to them by Professor Theodore Abel from Columbia University. They similarly did not refer to themselves as "Nazis."[23]
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Much the same is true today... The socialists have different factions claiming to be something different but, they are largely the same. They are the problem...
 

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It's pretty bad when you can't see the connection with today's vilification of those of us that don't think like the current batch of fools in Washington
I understand the point attempted. I'll never understand how I'm expected to assist in the success of socialism so that I, a hardcore capitalist and constitutional conservative, will somehow be saved later.

You're gonna have to draw the connection out for me.
Use Crayon and talk slow. I'm not getting it yet.
 

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
 
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The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Many situations, that quote is very true, on the other hand, sometimes "the devil you know" quote also applies.

Think my favorite one though is "With a friend like you, who needs enemies..."

I originally heard your quote differently with regard to the Nazi's invading Poland with no other country helping as they were not attacked. I didn't realize the origin of that saying until reading those links, so TY.
 
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