[preppermama]

This is regarding to the Sandy Hook shooting this past week. I've been searching the internet for days now just trying to wrap my head around this whole thing.

After hearing the guns belonged to his mother, Nancy Lanza, I began to wonder if the Sandy Hook shooter came from a prepper home. It definitely appears now that his mom was a prepper. Relatives have said they were stockpiling food for an economic collapse and apparently mom was a gun collector.

Any thoughts about this?

Was suspected shooters mother a prepper? - American Preppers Network

 

[Watercanlady]

My heart goes out to all the families effected by this horrific act of violence, I want to say that first.

Thank you for the article. This just looks bad for those of us who are preppers even if she was a victim and not the shooter. The shooter was a coward, he shot himself so he didn't have to face consequences of his actions. We as preppers are usually careful about keeping weapons safe and out of the hands of others. Especially grown children, with instabilities. We do not know all the circumstances and probably never will. This is not her fault by any means but a very good warning sign to many of us who don't have firearms secure. There are many many ways to secure weapons but if there is anyone you are in contact with that has mental instabilities please lock your weapons in a secure place.

We as preppers know and cherish the value of life or we would not be preppers to start with. As it seems we have lost a fellow prepper by means of her own supplies. This is a horrible awakening for some of us. May they all rest in peace.

 

[LunaticFringeInc]

The shooter was a coward, he shot himself so he didn't have to face consequences of his actions.

Now there is a part of the story that cant be written or said enough. Makes you wonder if he was all that "mentally disturbed" after all if he was able to articulate that much...you just got to ask that question, really?

That is pretty interesting about the mom and being a prepper. I am hearing more and more about this as time passes which makes it kind of eye brow raising. Its a shame that someone who was trying to look out from themselves lost the fight despite their best efforts to put themselves in a position to come out on top.

The worst thing about these derranged gunman incidences, is there are no winners only tragic loosers. A Mom has been lost, a few adults and way too many precious childrens lives have been saddly erased for ever. And once again the Perp got off the hook by taking the easy way out instead of having to face the music.

 

[Alpha-17]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Media decides to jump on this and use it to demonize or at least discredit preppers in general.

 

[Meangreen]

The whole thing makes me sick and the photos of the children broke my heart. I'm hurting just thinking about the parents having to go thru Christmas without their children and having to go thru life never really knowing why. I'm angered by the media’s coverage and the politician’s reaction to this. Violating our rights will not stop these attacks. We need armed teachers and armed security at the schools. These cowards target schools because they know there are no guns on school grounds and they will always be remembered killing so many innocent people.

 

[inceptor]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Media decides to jump on this and use it to demonize or at least discredit preppers in general.

In the past 20 min, I have heard several times that the atf said she spent time at the range. What does this have to do with anything?

Reasonable people are saying that the country needs to look at mental health issues but the hard core left says the only option is to outlaw semi-automatics.

Here is something to consider

Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia, page 1

 

[Smitty901]

They will do what ever it takes to move the focus from him being mentally ill and not being properly restricted. Look at how they are going about it now every doctor or care giver he ever saw is being give time to cover their tracks.
Your never going to know the truth.

 

[preppermama]

I think she sounds like a divorced prepper mom struggling to care for her disabled son on her own while her ex-husband was off living with his new wife. The only thing I think she did wrong was take Adam, who probably had rage issues and poor impulse control given his Aspergers diagnosis, and taught him to use weapons. That was really not the right thing to do.

Really loved this article today:

'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America

 

[LunaticFringeInc]

Absolutely mind blowing article and what I am afraid is far more the reality than not and sadly so.

 

[StarPD45]

There are stories all over the place. One said that she was planning on having him commited and he found out and snapped. True? No idea.
Another story said she received ~$290,000 in alimony this year. If so, you'd think she would have bought a good gun safe.
Chances are we will never know the whole story.
I feel for the parents and other relatives of the victoms and hope somehow they can find peace.

 

[Lucky Jim]

I could be very wrong but the bits and pieces I'm hearing on the news make me speculate she was a lousy mother and subconsciously hated her son for being born autistic, so she spent years tryng to bully him into being "normal" and to conform, and as a result she f****d up his mind and he went ballistic.
If I had an autistic kid I'd just let him/her go on being happy without interfering.

PS- i know for a fact there are bad parents like her, one was in a chat room not long ago and she said "My autistic young son is driving me crazy, he's going through a 'Bob the Builder' phase and wants Bob the Builder books, toys, and DVD's all the time!"
So I said to her "So what? Why don't you leave him alone?"
She had no answer, i was probably the first person who'd ever said that to her, and hopefully it made her think..

 

[jandor123]

I had someone I work with come up to me today and ask if I had an AR. I know the person, he is ex-military, and was under the impression that he was an AR owner as well. I was quite mistaken. When i answered in the affirmitive, he looked at me like i was crazy, then asked "do you have a bazooka too" "do you think that weapons of mass murder are OK" "How about a tank" and began to get quite irate and offensive, very angry. I was dumbfounded, i was caught completely off guard. He started to scare me, and I try a few feeble responses and just walked away. I wish I had had a good respnse ready, I thought of dozens afterward, but alas, not in the moment.

Why is it that the really scary people, the ones that are obviously not emotional strong enough and far from responsible enough to own weapons, are the ones that are controlling the debate?

I normally am very discreet about what i do or do not have, but i was under the impression that he was someone that owned weapons and believe in the Constitution.

Be very careful people, these are not reasonable times. There is no tolerance from those that want to take away American's rights.

 

[Lattice]

I think she sounds like a divorced prepper mom struggling to care for her disabled son on her own while her ex-husband was off living with his new wife. The only thing I think she did wrong was take Adam, who probably had rage issues and poor impulse control given his Aspergers diagnosis, and taught him to use weapons. That was really not the right thing to do.

Really loved this article today:

'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America

I don't know if I would say she was wrong in taking him to the range. There have been a lot of parents over the years that have tried to use range trips, hunting trips and what not to teach a young person with issues responsibility.

Now while I will admit that I haven't researched this too much, from the bit I have done I haven't seen anything that said she did not keep her guns secure. Kids are smart, my daughter was babysitting a young boy the other day who wanted to use my computer but was told no. She went to the bathroom and when she came out he was on it. It is password protected with a pretty good password. But apparently he saw her enter the password and instantly committed it to memory.

Jandor. Over the years Ive encountered a great many people like that. Honstely the best thing you can do is respond with something along the lines of. "I own it because I can. Why do you have a problem with me, a responsible honest person owning a firearm that is functionally no different than a semiauto hunting rifle? I mean really. Why would you have a problem with me owning something that is of no danger to anyone that is not a danger to me?"

If they still don't get it, walk away. You know what they say about arguing with fools don't you?

 

[JDE101]

Jandor, I have a concealed handgun license from the state of Ohio. Also PA and NH. To me, "concealed means concealed. My wife also has a concealed carry license. My family knows I own guns, most of them also shoot, own guns themselves, and some intend to get their concealed carry licenses as well. A few close friends, who also own guns, know I carry and own a variety of firearms. A couple of neighbors, who own guns, know I own guns. And that is IT! I don't talk about guns to "casual" acquaintences, nor did I with former coworkers before I retired. I've been a member of the NRA for many, many years and my desk if full of NRA decals--but their are NONE on my truck. I don't wear "gun" T-shirts or have any gun or pro-2nd Amendment bumper stickers on my truck or my wife's car. I feel it is better to be as low key as possible and not make a target of yourself. If someone indicates that they are PRO-gun, I'll talk with them. The anti-gun individuals, I've learned, are mostly irrational, illogical, emotional, and it does NO good to even discuss guns with them! Just my .02.:grin:

 

[Lucky Jim]

..I had someone I work with come up to me today and ask if I had an AR.When i answered in the affirmitive, he looked at me like i was crazy, then asked "do you have a bazooka too" "do you think that weapons of mass murder are OK" "How about a tank" and began to get quite irate and offensive, very angry...

Ask him what he himself would prefer to have when gangs have busted into his home and are killing his kids and raping his wife, a handgun, rifle or AR?.
Anyway, the gangs will probably have AR's too, so having one yourself kinda levels the playing field..

I'm sure the Founding Fathers would want citizens to protect themselves in the best way possible-

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."- John Adams

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."- Richard Henry Lee

"The right of self defense is the first law of nature"- US judge St. George Tucker (1752-1827)

Minute Man statue

PS- that minute man statue is great because it depicts just an ordinary decent guy, a farmer maybe, with sleeves rolled up after working the fields, standing ready to defend himself, his family and his property,
I'm sure he typifies 99.99% of preppers who don't want any trouble, they're just ordinary decent people with a natural normal wish to look after themselves and their own as best they can..

 

[Lucky Jim]

The following WIKI extracts raise some interesting points, namely that the Bushmaster wasn't a fully-automatic rifle and could only shoot one round at a time.
During his killing spree he fired 50 to 100 bullets from it and therefore wasn't spraying bullets around on full automatic.
So even if full autos had been banned long ago, he could have done just as much damage with an ordinary single-shot rifle.

WIKI- "The M4 Type Carbine is a reproduction of the Colt M4 Carbine, but is usually only semi-automatic for legality within the U.S. civilian market
At about 9:35 a.m., using his mother's Bushmaster XM-15 rifle, Lanza shot his way in through a locked glass door at the front of the school.
He stopped shooting between 9:46 a.m. and 9:53 a.m., after firing approximately 50 to 100 rounds
Police said Lanza used the Bushmaster rifle against most of the victims, and according to the medical examiner all victims were shot multiple times with the same "long weapon". Under Connecticut law, the 20-year-old Lanza was old enough to carry a long gun, but too young to legally own or carry handguns."

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bushmaster M4 Type Carbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AsteroidX]

That Wikipedia is haunting and I think an accurate representation of what occurred inside the school. I cried the whole way through. I did not read beyond that part. It certainly makes a case for principles and other non classroom staff to have the option of having a cwp. As it certainly could have changed what happened that day. The first people to encounter the shooter was the Principle and and another staff. If one of them had had a weapon this tragedy could have been a victory for gun rights.

 

[AsteroidX]

This came out and I have the Strioke Zone 2 completed. Can we move this thread to conspiracy theories however. Theres a story being told here IMO.

Gotta listen to the lyrics a few times before you start hearing the message within. And the guy playing pool look a bit Like Hinkley ? Im trying to get the raw source for this video.

And theres Strike Zone 2

 

[daddio1234]

I have a nephew with ashburgers and it is different from other forms of autisum. It is very dark and unpredictable. I refuse to leave my children alone around him. I have watch him be drugged and counselled thru out his life and seems to me all it has done is teach him how to hide his illness. He is fifteen now and in high school, it scares me to think what he would be capable of if he had access to firearms. Hell it scares me to think what he might do with a pocket knife when he finally snaps. I don't believe it is a matter of "if" but "when". Sad thing is though i have seen him cuddled and spoiled by parents and grandparents, he has learned to manipulate them well and they lay no responsibility on him just make excuses for his "illness".