[Mr.penguin]

I am feeling as if war has been declared on me. So far it has only been online attacks but that could change. I have been reading the chatter and it seems church's will be targets of protest. They plan on burning the Eucharist and disrupting masses. Security is becoming very important to me. I have cameras that need to be installed and the church has cameras already. I am a member of the Knights of Columbus so I am a target. Also the local pregnancy center we support can be a target too. I recently changed my passwords to be more secure. I have had my google account hacked because of my political beliefs before they changed all my YouTube comments after I made them. I can't stay silent or self-censor my conscience wouldn't let me.


Does anyone have any ideas on how to fight this?
Do you feel this way too?

 

[Jarine88]

Keep up the fight, brother. This is a spiritual battle. Pray, pray, pray. We cannot let the enemy win. Our God is greater than anything they can throw at us.

 

[Underrock]

A comment on this volatile topic: I'd like to believe no one is PRO abortion, but many are pro CHOICE as well as NO CHOICE. I am not a woman and will never be faced with making THAT decision; Therefore, (I feel) governing laws should provide strict guidelines for women (not men) to have options open to them when having to make a choice.

 

[Jarine88]

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, it does not outlaw abortion. It only passes the decision to legalize, limit or prohibit abortion back to the States and the people in those States.

And there are people who are very pro abortion. Check this out:

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[Underrock]

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, it does not outlaw abortion. It only passes the decision to legalize, limit or prohibit abortion back to the States and the people in those States.

And there are people who are very pro abortion. Check this out:

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[Underrock]

Thank you Jarine88, and please excuse my ignorance about Roe v Wade.

 

[KellyDude]

Alex Jones says if you're attacked, it's because you are over the target. That is a badge of honor. Stay strong!

Re: abortion- it's not about statues, flags, collusion, racism, LGBTlmnop etc- it's keeping conservatives on the ropes so they don't attack.
And it's working....

 

[wraithofroncollins]

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fight this?

Make shirts that say "I don't kill babies" and guard your church with a guns... Ultimately, you have a right to self-defense. Even in Commiefornia you can appeal til you hit Federal Court and bring up Beard v US and a few other SCOTUS cases.

 

[Kauboy]

A comment on this volatile topic: I'd like to believe no one is PRO abortion, but many are pro CHOICE as well as NO CHOICE. I am not a woman and will never be faced with making THAT decision; Therefore, (I feel) governing laws should provide strict guidelines for women (not men) to have options open to them when having to make a choice.

It's fictional to think of it as a "decision" one must make. The decision was made long before the pregnancy was confirmed. A man and a woman made a decision together.
If women have options open to them, men should too. That developing baby is just as much the man's as it is the woman's.
The reality of equality hurts sometimes.

 

[WolfBrother]

It's fictional to think of it as a "decision" one must make. The decision was made long before the pregnancy was confirmed. A man and a woman made a decision together.
If women have options open to them, men should too. That developing baby is just as much the man's as it is the woman's.
The reality of equality hurts sometimes.

OK - opinions are like lower posterior body parts. Most everyone has one and sometimes they stink.
OK - having noted that the following is my opinion.

A man and a woman made a decision together.
They may have only been poking fun and wasn't expecting to be taken serious about it.

If women have options open to them, men should too.
I think up until ejaculation the man has lots of options. After that point, his decision becomes a roll of the dice and his options decrease dramatically. His decision was to do or do not, if do he cedes a lot of control to the woman.

That developing baby is just as much the man's as it is the woman's.
Yes and no, his decision to do has him ceding lots of control to the woman.

I'm holding men to a specific standard. You make it, you pay for it without a lot of say about it until birth. Then the man either Cowboy's Up and becomes a Dad to the best of his ability and as allowed by prevailing law or he's only a male not a man.

 

[Annie]

I am feeling as if war has been declared on me. So far it has only been online attacks but that could change. I have been reading the chatter and it seems church's will be targets of protest. They plan on burning the Eucharist and disrupting masses. Security is becoming very important to me. I have cameras that need to be installed and the church has cameras already. I am a member of the Knights of Columbus so I am a target. Also the local pregnancy center we support can be a target too. I recently changed my passwords to be more secure. I have had my google account hacked because of my political beliefs before they changed all my YouTube comments after I made them. I can't stay silent or self-censor my conscience wouldn't let me.


Does anyone have any ideas on how to fight this?
Do you feel this way too?

Don't be afraid. The absolute worst that could happen is also the best to your honor in heaven; that you'd be martyred defending Our Lord on the Altar.

I don't know which state you're living and and the laws are all different in terms of what weapons if any you can and can not carry.

Since you're a member of the Knights of Columbus, I'd suggest you have a meeting with your pastor and any interested service men, vets and police officers, etc. Have a plan to deal with these vile creatures who want to disrupt the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. The creatures need to be escorted out hopefully without too much fuss. Don't make them "victims" if you can possible help it. They love being victims.

Taylor Marshall suggested the old ladies in the congregation could be armed with vials of holy water. Give the feminists the old asperges on there way out. lol.

It's very important that there be individuals at every Mass who have the priest's back.

 

[Kauboy]

A man and a woman made a decision together.
They may have only been poking fun and wasn't expecting to be taken serious about it.

If women have options open to them, men should too.
I think up until ejaculation the man has lots of options. After that point, his decision becomes a roll of the dice and his options decrease dramatically. His decision was to do or do not, if do he cedes a lot of control to the woman.

That developing baby is just as much the man's as it is the woman's.
Yes and no, his decision to do has him ceding lots of control to the woman.

I'm holding men to a specific standard. You make it, you pay for it without a lot of say about it until birth. Then the man either Cowboy's Up and becomes a Dad to the best of his ability and as allowed by prevailing law or he's only a male not a man.

If you engage in the ONLY act that leads to pregnancy, it's not a gamble to say it could lead to pregnancy. You should not engage in it if you don't expect the known result. Self-control literally saves lives.

Your conjecture concerning a man's ejaculation supposes the above point was ignored. If the above point is ignored by both parties, they have both made the decision. The consequence is already underway.
If we imagine that additional decisions are up in the air to end the human life being created, those decisions must be available to both parties. Equality.

No control is ceded. This supposes men and women are not equal.
The baby does not exist without both parties. It is, and should legally be considered, equally owned by both parents by default.
Whatever options available to one should be available to the other. The current law, allowing a mother to unilaterally decide to kill the child, is immoral and disregards the father's opinion.
Fair is fair. If the woman has this option, so too should the man. If that sounds barbaric, that's because IT IS, regardless of who makes the choice.

I'm holding all parties to a specific standard. If you engage in sex, you must accept the consequences, just like every other decision you make in you life.

 

[wraithofroncollins]

I'm holding men to a specific standard. You make it, you pay for it without a lot of say about it until birth. Then the man either Cowboy's Up and becomes a Dad to the best of his ability and as allowed by prevailing law or he's only a male not a man.

And I will hold a woman to similar standard, she can either make him were a Jimmy Cap or not. Here is the ultimate problem, you have sex, you create a life and now have to be responsible for it. Killing the baby is killing the baby, doesn't matter if it is abortion or, a woodchipper.

Thats why it takes two to make a baby, I can understand health issues and so on but... Lets be real, as a man, I'd (a) hate any woman who aborted my child and (b) would sue her for emotional damages to ensure she faced some kind of punishment for it. There is no excuse for murder, plain and simple.

 

[Mr.penguin]

I apologize to the moderators for making this thread as it might get out of control. Please everyone remember the site guidelines before posting. Also remember that it's ok to hate someone's opinion but not ok to hate the person personally.

 

[One Shot]

I apologize to the moderators for making this thread as it might get out of control. Please everyone remember the site guidelines before posting. Also remember that it's ok to hate someone's opinion but not ok to hate the person personally.

It won't get out of hand, we have good mods here.

 

[CC Pereira]

I believe that people (both men and women) should take personal responsibility for their own choices. People have options to prevent unwanted pregnancies, such as abstinence, birth control, condoms, etc. If pregnancy occurs even after using available options to prevent pregnancy (which is unlikely but possible), people also have the option to use the morning after pill / plan B or Queen Anne's Lace to end a pregnancy (preferrably the day after, but at least within 8 weeks of pregnancy, before pain receptors begin to form). I believe that the only acceptable reason for abortion after 8 weeks, is if it saves the life of the mother ... which would be rare, but possible ... in which case it would be a life saving medical procedure. If a woman is raped, and she is unable to access available options to end the pregnancy within 8 weeks, it is not the pregnant woman or baby's fault, but I believe that abortion would in such a case be murder. Everyone knows that incest is likely to result in medical problems for a baby that is born of incest ... but abortion in this case, unless the woman is raped, would still be murder.

My body my choice works fine for making a choice only for your own body (such as whether or not to get the covid-19 'vaccine'), but abortion concerns not just the body of a pregnant woman, but also the body of an unborn child that lives within her body.

The lame excuse that if abortion isn't legal, women will just do it illegally (with a coat hanger or whatever), which could cost them their lives ... lame. It is her choice to or not to do something so stupid, and if she does, it is no one's fault but her own. This is like saying 'if you break up with me, I'll kill myself, and it will be your fault'. Maybe people should hand out free condoms and birth control pills instead of paying for and handing out free needles and crack pipes.

I also believe that because it takes both man and woman to cause pregnancy, both the man and woman who caused a pregnancy should have equal say in what happens to their (not just her) unborn child.

I do not believe that any person owns any other person, but both mothers and fathers should take personal responsibility for their children, until their children become adults ... or give up their children to be adopted by someone else who will.

If pregnant women are unwilling to protect their unborn children from being murdered, I see nothing wrong with others (including individual states) stepping in to do it for them.

 

[CC Pereira]

The incest case probably sounds a bit confusing ... I mean, the cause of incest would be irresponsibility, unless due to rape. To be a bit more specific about this one, it may depend on whether or not it is known that the baby would die during or shortly after pregnancy, or if the baby (after being born) would suffer until he / she dies, or depend on others for survival for his / her entire life ... this one may be a bit of a gray area ...

 

[Jarine88]

The rape and incest arguments are ruses. They are such a small percentage of the abortions that they get lost in the standard deviations.

 

[CC Pereira]

The rape and incest arguments are ruses. They are such a small percentage of the abortions that they get lost in the standard deviations.

I agree ... possible, but unlikely.

A vasectomy or tube tying are also options, for people who intend to have sex, but do not intend to ever have children. It isn't guaranteed to prevent pregnancy, but the chances of causing a pregnancy in this case, would be slim to none.

 

[Kauboy]

I apologize to the moderators for making this thread as it might get out of control. Please everyone remember the site guidelines before posting. Also remember that it's ok to hate someone's opinion but not ok to hate the person personally.

Healthy debate should ruffle feathers. It's why we debate at all. We want to express opinions and facts that support our view, and listen to those that support another's view.
Contention is built into the system. But it can remain cordial and should always end with mutual respect. Most debates aren't won during the argument, but in the hearts and minds of the participants well after the discussion has ended.