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He sure had fun putting them in their place but it wasn't worth it because they've now almost certainly made a note of his registration plate, got him on CCTV and circulated his mugshot around Homeland Security, police and FBI offices etc to put in a "Suspicious Person" file.
They'll run background checks on him and if they find the slightest thing about him that they don't like, they'll come a-knocking his door.

In fact if ever a National Emergency blows up they'll go and seize his guns in the blink of an eye on the grounds that he's not a "peaceable citizen",and might jail him for the duration using this Founding Father quote against him-
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams
 

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He sure had fun putting them in their place but it wasn't worth it because they've now almost certainly made a note of his registration plate, got him on CCTV and circulated his mugshot around Homeland Security, police and FBI offices etc to put in a "Suspicious Person" file.
They'll run background checks on him and if they find the slightest thing about him that they don't like, they'll come a-knocking his door.

In fact if ever a National Emergency blows up they'll go and seize his guns in the blink of an eye on the grounds that he's not a "peaceable citizen",and might jail him for the duration using this Founding Father quote against him-
"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams
Really?

I don't think so.
The Fourth (4th) Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures by federal law enforcement agents. The Fourteenth (14th) Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America imposes the 4th Amendment upon the states and to law enforcement agents within the states. Unreasonable searches and seizures are prohibited; reasonable searches are not prohibited. The 14th Amendment rights to privacy do not extend into every aspect of a person's private affairs.

The right to travel from state to state unimpeded without just cause.
As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel (except for members of Congress, who are guaranteed the right to travel to and from Congress). The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." It is interesting to note that the Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; it is now thought that the right is so fundamental that the Framers may have thought it unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

They had to let them go.
This is still a free Republic, our ancestors left countries of tyranny that you speak of & reside in.

So your constant famous quotes amount to nill or to any relevance.
 

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I'd prefer to answer a few simple questions & be on my way. If it went beyond that like he said "pull over" or "I don't believe you & want to perform a search without probable cause or a warrant" I'd politely refuse, warn them about likely litigation against their employer and them personally. If it escalated I'd file criminal charges along with a civil suit. I can afford a lengthy trial process I wonder how long the bug catcher guy could keep taking off work & paying a lawyer for defense. If he gives up he's going down. If he wins... he still spent his life savings on bogus legal fees.
 

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According to the SCOTUS, the fourth amendment is, for all practical purposes, dead.
They ruled that just having a drug dog who "alerts" is probable cause to search.
The particular case involved a car search, but do you think it will take much time before they start searching wherever they want?

Perilous times, folks, Perilous times. :-o
 
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They ruled that a trained dog's nose is as effective as a cop's eyes. If drugs are in sight of a LEO,he has probable cause.
But we all know they'll do whatever the hell they want when they want to
If they bring out drug dogs you are all but guilty, as they will at that time, find what they want, where they want. It's like trying to fight BATF, you might be not guilty, but you can not afford to fight them in court, they have unlimited finances and can and will lie/change the interpretation of a regulation/law to fit their charges. In time you will plead guilty to something, just to save anything you and your family may have left of value.
 

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So I am going to strap on a helmet, in preparation to be abused for this, BUT am I the only one that thinks that the right thing to do would have been to peaceably answer the questions and go on about your day? Why make the jobs of LEOs any harder? We support law enforcement when they back our stances on gun control and the like, but if we don't like what they are doing they are some sort of tool for an evil government? A large portion of my family were/are LEOs, and they are good people. IF you have nothing to hide, then why be a dick? Also, I have several attorneys in my family, including my deceased father, who always taught me to respect LEOs. I am well aware of my rights, and will exercise them as necessary, but I do not believe that we are so far gone that some grand conspiracy by DHS or anyone else has been set up to entrap me. Oh my naivete! Let the bashing begin...
 

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Let's just recap- That guy in the vid is splashed all over Youtube and got himself noticed by Homeland Security, Law Enforcement, the FBI and the the whole world.
In other words he's broken the First Rule of Prepping, which is to always stay in the background, or in submarine terms- RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP.:)

But because he's got himself noticed, he's going to be among the first they round up for internment as a "troublemaker" in a time of National Emergency when the Govt will be able to do whatever it likes.
Remember in 'Bridge on the River Kwai' when the Jap commander ripped up the Geneva Convention?
That's how it'll be in a time of National Emergency and Lawlessness, the Govt will rip up the Constitution and do just as it pleases and there won't be a thing you'll be able to do about it, that's why my advice to all preppers is to not get yourself noticed.
After all, if you're rounded up and canned, who'll look after your family when they need you the most when SHTF?

"Mom I wish dad was here"
"So do I darling, so do I"

 

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..am I the only one that thinks that the right thing to do would have been to peaceably answer the questions and go on about your day?...
You've got it right mate, preppers don't make waves if they don't have to..;)
"The greatest warrior is the one who never has to fight a battle"- Sun Tzu, 600BC
 

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You've got it right mate, preppers don't make waves if they don't have to..;)
"The greatest warrior is the one who never has to fight a battle"- Sun Tzu, 600BC
How well did that work for you in england? No waves, no guns, no fight, less freedom, go great warrior!
 

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They ruled that a trained dog's nose is as effective as a cop's eyes. If drugs are in sight of a LEO,he has probable cause.
But we all know they'll do whatever the hell they want when they want to
If you take this to its illogical conclusion, they could stop you just walking down the street. Remember that virtually all of our paper "money" has traces of cocaine on it. They don't have to see anything. The dog would be enough excuse.

And as to the dog's training, SCOTUS "assumed" the cops were telling the truth about it. There are no rules governing drug dog training. They could borrow a neighbor's dog and say "oh yeah, I trained it."
 

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Okay guys let's check out this EXECUTIVE ORDER SCENARIO
It's a time of a National US Emergency and the whole nation is in shock, so the President rips up the Constitution and signs 'Executive Order 9066' authorising the rounding up of all American citizens who are deemed to be a threat to the country and interning them without trial in these heavily-guarded Internment Camps-



No, it's not fiction, it actually happened after Pearl Harbor when Roosevelt ripped up the Constitution and rounded up and interned 120,000 citizens of Japanese-American descent, 80,000 of whom were actual naturalised American citizens, including children.
So like I said, when SHTF the Govt will be coming after those who it regards as troublemakers and commies etc, and interning them for as long as they like.

http://www.historyonthenet.com/WW2/japan_internment_camps.htm
 

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How is respecting law enforcement officers who are legally carrying out their responsibilities lying down? As I said earlier, I will absolutely defend and exercise my rights, but being a dick just to be a dick seems to be in poor form to me. I just don't think that I will aid in the further decline of our society by disrespecting law enforcement carrying out their duties in a constitutional manner.
 

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How is respecting law enforcement officers who are legally carrying out their responsibilities lying down? As I said earlier, I will absolutely defend and exercise my rights, but being a dick just to be a dick seems to be in poor form to me. I just don't think that I will aid in the further decline of our society by disrespecting law enforcement carrying out their duties in a constitutional manner.
Right, the dicks are just paranoid cop-haters out to cause trouble, that's reason enough for them to be locked up on psychiatric grounds..:)
As good citizens we can play our part by reporting anybody to the FBI who we suspect is wacko or a commie etc.
If they get us decent normal preppers a bad name they deserve to be weeded out-

https://tips.fbi.gov/


 

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I understand that we have the right to refuse. My point is that the right thing to do was to answer the questions and not be a dick. Jim, don't be ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they oppose mine.
 

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If you been watching what DHS is up one thing you know for sure. When it comes to DHS you have no rights.
 

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..Jim, don't be ridiculous. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if they oppose mine.
Sigh, some of you Americans seem to have gone soft! The day I think police-baiters and commies and wackjobs are "entitled to their opinions" will be the day you can measure me up for a strait jacket..:)
 

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Jim, I don't understand your point other than you choose not to understand liberty in America. Or maybe you want to be pugnacious. We ain't socialist Europe nor do we want to be. You can put up all the negatives of past history you want, we aren't perfect never said we was. But with out a doubt The USA has been the most positive influence on personal liberty in the history of mankind, warts and all.
The government can make mistakes, yes they can come, but they are not better prepared than the citizens. And don't assume they have the complete support of the military. If they think they can come in a take people away the price will be high. I know of groups away from large cities that include state patrolmen, county sheriff and natonal guard that will take thier families in the woods and thrive before they surrender to socialism.
People, including those in our government may not respect the attraction of liberty.
 
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