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I long ago for many reason just wrote gun shows off. Pay to park pay to get in same old stuff ect.
Had some time to kill and there was one 25 miles from here, I get there no charge for parking and 7.00 to get in not bad so I get in a long line.
To my surprise I see AK47 and AR15,Lowers and complete uppers. Some was entry level stuff and some high end parts. Quick glance I see a lot of Mags new and used.
My interest up I look closed. Used Bushmasters at 2 to 3 time what they sell for new. 300-600 dollar AK47 900 and up. Mags That fleet farm has right now for 18-19.00 they have them for 25-50.00. Ammo what junk they had 1.00 a round or more. Used Bolt action rifles with price tags higher than I could go into town and buy new.
Pretty much way over price everyday items for the most part. The New AR15 were way out of line in price, I figure that is why I did not see any walking out the door.
There were some side deals going on people that came trading their personal weapons for cash or different weapons.
A few walking around with Old 20 inch barrel .223 with some crazy prices hanging on them. Look to me like they would be carrying them back home.
My point is there is product out there maybe no where near what there should be but the prices are nuts. No way on earth I would pay the kind of money they want for The AK's and AR's. If I needed a weapon that bad I would fine something else.
In every trash pile there maybe some gold, there were a few new m14's at the going price they should be new. There were some M1 Grands That were complete rebuilds That were priced right if you were in the market for one. The odd ball foreign junk here and there , most marked up a few bucks.
One dealer there I knew from his shop told me his barrel cost were up 20 dollars a barrel right now.
Hand guns , a large number from new to junk no real deals on anything. The new ones again could be had in town for same or lower cost.
Way to many accessories scope's slings lasers ,flash lights and bad boy parts. When are they going to learn if you aren't sell the weapons your not going to move the mark up items very well.
I did make a purchase for 5 dollars 3 clips and yes they were old one not new manufacture and I have lost a couple over the years.
All in all a 12 dollar outing.
For me it will be awhile before I hit another one.
 

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I haven't been to the shooting range lately but I was wondering if people are goin or are they holding onto their ammo. Maybe a lot of new shooters. Any one seen anything different than usual.
 

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My range is like a ghost town. I was there by myself for the first time in a long time 2 weeks ago.
 
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Just an observation but maybe high prices are a sign of good quality?
I mean, if we bought marked-down guns and ammo dead cheap could we rely on them, especially if maybe they're second-hand, old and unreliable?
 

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Range I have been known to use sometimes has become more and more selective in who they want using the range. Because of that the user tend to be real shooters and they will shoot no madder what. They will not even sell you a weapon now unless you are a "member" basically mean they must know you and that means for awhile .
I stopped in last week and even they were out of 9mm rounds. And short on 5.56
 
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Just an observation but maybe high prices are a sign of good quality?
I mean, if we bought marked-down guns and ammo dead cheap could we rely on them, especially if maybe they're second-hand, old and unreliable?
A cheap junk gun is the same at 90 dollars as it is at 500 just make you feel better when you pay 90 for it.
Some cheap guns were not junk older SKS's sold for 70 dollars they were good. Picked up 303 Enfileds for 70 bucks great shooters and well made.
At one time you could buy Surplus M1 grands for 100 buck that was cheap then but a still of a deal.
If your buying used weapons you should know what your doing a junker can be made to look good .
 

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I went to one last weekend. Prices are up over-all for sure. There are still some good deals out there. You just have to hunt harder for them now. If I had had some money I saw a couple I would have bought.
 

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I went to the Nations Gun Show today in Virginia. I enjoy going, but $13 at the door is a little high. Absolutely no .22 ammo in the building. The ammo vendors actually laughed when I asked for it. I went to another show recently and picked up a decent amount, but I think this shortage/hoarding or whatever you call it is a total crap.

a brick of 500 is going as high as $80 at some of the shows. When Walmart carries them those are $30-$40. I understand supply and demand, but double the normal price?
 

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I have more than I will ever need. But like many want more. I will not buy at these prices I can wait. If Obama and DHS have their way and tie the market up then ban most of it .
I will still get by.
 

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I long ago for many reason just wrote gun shows off. Pay to park pay to get in same old stuff ect.
Had some time to kill and there was one 25 miles from here, I get there no charge for parking and 7.00 to get in not bad so I get in a long line.
To my surprise I see AK47 and AR15,Lowers and complete uppers. Some was entry level stuff and some high end parts. Quick glance I see a lot of Mags new and used.
My interest up I look closed. Used Bushmasters at 2 to 3 time what they sell for new. 300-600 dollar AK47 900 and up. Mags That fleet farm has right now for 18-19.00 they have them for 25-50.00. Ammo what junk they had 1.00 a round or more. Used Bolt action rifles with price tags higher than I could go into town and buy new.
Pretty much way over price everyday items for the most part. The New AR15 were way out of line in price, I figure that is why I did not see any walking out the door.
There were some side deals going on people that came trading their personal weapons for cash or different weapons.
A few walking around with Old 20 inch barrel .223 with some crazy prices hanging on them. Look to me like they would be carrying them back home.
My point is there is product out there maybe no where near what there should be but the prices are nuts. No way on earth I would pay the kind of money they want for The AK's and AR's. If I needed a weapon that bad I would fine something else.
In every trash pile there maybe some gold, there were a few new m14's at the going price they should be new. There were some M1 Grands That were complete rebuilds That were priced right if you were in the market for one. The odd ball foreign junk here and there , most marked up a few bucks.
One dealer there I knew from his shop told me his barrel cost were up 20 dollars a barrel right now.
Hand guns , a large number from new to junk no real deals on anything. The new ones again could be had in town for same or lower cost.
Way to many accessories scope's slings lasers ,flash lights and bad boy parts. When are they going to learn if you aren't sell the weapons your not going to move the mark up items very well.
I did make a purchase for 5 dollars 3 clips and yes they were old one not new manufacture and I have lost a couple over the years.
All in all a 12 dollar outing.
For me it will be awhile before I hit another one.
Ahh capitalism at it's best! I go to gun shows just to gawk and maybe buy a hairbrush that shoots pepper spray and hides a knife ;) The prices always seem to be much higher than my local gun shop. Have you noticed that the same high prices are on gunbroker? I'm finding that I can still get a decent price from my local shop but I have to be willing to wait.
 

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I haven't been to the shooting range lately but I was wondering if people are goin or are they holding onto their ammo. Maybe a lot of new shooters. Any one seen anything different than usual.
I'm still going to the range to shoot but I'm shooting black powder and saving all my smokeless ammo. I'm really getting into black powder and it's cheaper and available.
 

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Local shop are sell at a fair market up when the can get product. Shops I know are seeing price rise and shortages at any price.
Stripped Upper receivers as repair parts are next to imposable to get at any price.
One of the excuse the Military used switching to Remington as a supplier of some M4's was to easy the burden on Colt.
they had claimed even then Colt could not keep up with US Government demand.
 

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Local shop are sell at a fair market up when the can get product. Shops I know are seeing price rise and shortages at any price.
Stripped Upper receivers as repair parts are next to imposable to get at any price.
One of the excuse the Military used switching to Remington as a supplier of some M4's was to easy the burden on Colt.
they had claimed even then Colt could not keep up with US Government demand.
From what I hear is that there are only 4 companies that mass produce m4 lowers. DPMS and Remington are one and the same. If you watch their site and grab it when it becomes available, the plum crazy polymer lower is a great price and is now being used by the military under the name PCR. It's true that Colt couldn't keep up and had a quarter million rifles returned because of manufacturing defects.
 

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Do guns ever wear out if used a lot? Which part usually goes first?
And is it best to replace the part or dump the whole gun and buy a new one?

PS- If you dump a worn-out licensed gun, do you have to notify the cops so that they can remove it from the gun-owners register or whatever?
 

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...I don't have any "registered" weapons and never will have
I know zilch about US gun laws especially as they seem to differ from state to state.
If I was a US citizen who wanted a gun, would I just be able to go down the gun shop and buy one and take it straight home, or would there first have to be lots of form-filling and a 10-day wait or something before I can go back to the shop to collect it?
 

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I know zilch about US gun laws especially as they seem to differ from state to state.
If I was a US citizen who wanted a gun, would I just be able to go down the gun shop and buy one and take it straight home, or would there first have to be lots of form-filling and a 10-day wait or something before I can go back to the shop to collect it?
It depends on what state you are in. For example here in the free state of New Mexico, you can pick one out fill out a simple form, wait for the salesman to make a simple phone call and your on your way out the door with your new firearm.
 

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..here in the free state of New Mexico, you can pick one out fill out a simple form, wait for the salesman to make a simple phone call and your on your way out the door with your new firearm.
Does he make the "simple phone call" to the cops so they can run a background check on the police computer?
And suppose somebody was a criminal buying the gun, wouldn't he get round it by just giving a phoney name and address?
 

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Does he make the "simple phone call" to the cops so they can run a background check on the police computer?
And suppose somebody was a criminal buying the gun, wouldn't he get round it by just giving a phoney name and address?
In many states like here in Kentucky the background check only takes a couple of minutes. I am guessing less then 3 you fill out a one page form mostly by checking yes or no boxes to questions. I don't think the form takes more then a couple of minutes. But if you want to buy a gun from a private person he hands you the gun and you hand him the money that is how it has been for 225 years and we don't wan't that changed.
 

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Wisconsin instant back round check for long guns your out the door in no time. Hand guns 48 hour wait. By law there is suppose to be no record of the serial numbers . But we all know the Government does keep them and checks them , we seen how that works.
But that will all change before long
 

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Does he make the "simple phone call" to the cops so they can run a background check on the police computer?
And suppose somebody was a criminal buying the gun, wouldn't he get round it by just giving a phoney name and address?
The call is to ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms) and yes it is to be sure that your able to purchase.
 
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