[Kauboy]

Short of a Rhonda Rousey roundhouse, most females are not physically capable of overpowering the average man. The random exception does not change the rule.
This is not a statement from bravado, but simple biological mechanics.
As Dr. Jordan Peterson starkly stated in one of his lectures, directed toward a female in his class (he was discussing the physical evolution of primates at the time), "if you hit me as hard as you possibly could, you might break a bone and certainly leave a mark, but if I did the same to you, you could die."
There is just no comparison when it comes to physical strength once both sexes have passed adolescence.

This is why I encourage all women to be armed. Nature has placed them at a physical disadvantage, and there are some men who prey on this difference. I want my wife, my daughter, and all of their girlfriends to have the means to level the playing field. Teaching hand-to-hand techniques to women is largely a futile endeavor. They may land one good punch or kick, but that's it.
Teaching them how to use a defensive firearm efficiently, or carve up a torso like a Christmas ham, these skills will ensure they fare much better in any altercation where a man thinks he will force his will on them.

 

[MrLemonade]

Short of a Rhonda Rousey roundhouse, most females are not physically capable of overpowering the average man.

Truth. And anyone who studies female fighters, can see that the punches or kicks they take, are probably about 25% as powerful as what a male can deliver.

Rousey was such an extremely dominant female fighter in her prime that it was speculated she would beat male fighters, and that's a completely nonsense idea. Rousey claimed she didn't want to see "men hitting women," etc. but that is clearly a copout. The reality is, she can't win against a male fighter. Want proof?

Rousey soon thereafter got her clock cleaned in a KO by a Holly Holms, a woman, who probably is not 1/2 the fighter of a male top fighter. Here's the woman that KO'd Rousey in round 2. Note, this was a top professional fighter than KO'd Rousey. She's built like a male high school athlete, and in fact I was this muscular when I was a 17 year old...

Contrast this top professional female fighter, against a male college boxer or professional MMA fighter. She wouldn't last a minute. Apples to apples, look at one of the top male MMA fighters. A male would quite probably literally kill a female.

One of the few women that has tried to fight a male was then-undefeated Lucia Rijker from Holland. She competed in kickboxing from 1982 to 1994, going 37-0-1. The draw was in her second fight. From 1996-2004, "Lady Tyson" competed in professional boxing, going a perfect 17-0. She was known to be unbeatable. Until she fought a male that is. She came into the fight undefeated with almost 3x as many fights/wins as the male. She fought Somchai Jaidee (13-1-0, with 9 KOs), same size fighter, under Muay Thai rules in 1994. He dominated the fight and knocked her clock out in round 2 - I doubt she's ever been hit that hard in her career.

The point is not to attack women, but to set realistic understandings and expectations, and dispel so much of the feminism nonsense when it comes to these types of topics.

 

[Spenser]

Ok you are comparing kind of the equivalent weight class vs one another. A logical approach.

Here is my question though. As things are right now today, could you personally beat her in a fight?

My point being, I am pretty damn sure there are female athletes that could kick the living [email protected]#@$ out of some non martial arts guys out there. & for the record, I have seen some woman in real life situations beat the crap out of a would be robber, if they didn't get their @$$ kicked.

I am sure that some of us members are way past our prime is all I am indicating. Present company included...(that means me personally)


post edited due to changing burglar to robber.

 

[MrLemonade]

Ok you are comparing kind of the equivalent weight class vs one another. A logical approach.

Here is my question though. As things are right now today, could you personally beat her in a fight?

My point being, I am pretty damn sure there are female athletes that could kick the living [email protected]#@$ out of some non martial arts guys out there. & for the record, I have seen some woman in real life situations beat the crap out of a would be robber, if they didn't get their @$$ kicked.

I am sure that some of us members are way past our prime is all I am indicating. Present company included...(that means me personally)

post edited due to changing burglar to robber.

It's a interesting academic question, but my answer will make me sound like a over-confident misogynist bully in a no-win situation for a man, so I'll not be answering what should be obvious.

But in case anyone's not sure, watch Rousey, who was an Olympic fighter since her teens and a pro for decades, get knocked out in round 1 by a girl with a few punches to the head. I'm pretty confident in my fighting abilities in a ring with any of these women. These girl punches are love taps compared to the hits men can deliver, including myself.

I have some shallow but broad fighting training experience, know how to strike, I'm tough, and I have over 100 pounds advantage and about 1/2 foot taller than these females, can lift 2-4 times as much weight, have larger fists, muscles, feet, and bone structure. Do the math.

Finally: There's no amount of money that would lure me into a MMA ring against a top male fighter, because I could die or have brain damage or at minimum be embarrassed beyond belief. Conversely, for a large enough money to make it worth the health and injury risk, and a reasonable amount of time to train, there's no woman I would be unwilling to fight in a MMA ring.

 

[inceptor]

I find it amusing that y'all have had a long discussion on fighting females.

But, nowadays, how would you know if you're fighting a genetic or a transgender woman?

 

[Spenser]

I have some shallow but broad fighting training experience, know how to strike, I'm tough, and I have over 100 pounds advantage and about 1/2 foot taller than these females, can lift 2-4 times as much weight, have larger fists, muscles, feet, and bone structure. Do the math.

This is a common misconception that size and weight will determine the outcome. I have on 2 separate occasions in my life have gone vs. a Full Line Back Football player. Both were 6" + taller then I am and both weighed more ( one a hundred pounds heavier the other 150 lbs.) and both lost to me.

I am sure if either of them got in a clear shot to the head, I would have been seriously dazed, but they did not. Both of them I got down by getting them into a headlock and both passed out. Then there was this 3rd degree blackbelt Asian kid that had been studying martial arts since he was 4 , that was at least 6 inches smaller then I was and a good 40 lbs. lighter that handed me my @$$ on a silver platter. Fact is I couldn't get a hit in. I swept his leg and he got back up off the ground in some sort of flip without even using his hands followed up with a kick to my face. Happened so damn fast I didn't even know what hit me if it wasn't for the foot print down my face that I later saw in a mirror.

Size may matter to a gal, pun inferred, but in a fight, it has no determination on who wins. I am not referring to the Irish style boxing where you are simply exchanging punches, in that scenario, the bigger guy wins hands down, I am talking about the guy/gal that you just can't land a punch on.

 

[MrLemonade]

This is a common misconception that size and weight will determine the outcome. I have on 2 separate occasions in my life have gone vs. a Full Line Back Football player. Both were 6" + taller then I am and both weighed more ( one a hundred pounds heavier the other 150 lbs.) and both lost to me.

I'm not sure where this discussion turned "male vs. female," and I'm really not liking it to be honest. And it's a weird discussion.

But as for size/strength, all that sounds great in theory and it probably sells a lot of smaller people on self defense classes (sorta like the tripe to kick men in the groin nonsense). In practice in a real fight, a lot of those theories go out the window. All but probably the most elite smaller fighters with perfect technique and opportunity, are not going to be able to block, let alone take a hit from a larger stronger opponent, nor are they going to be able to physically move or dominate him. We can surely point to some exceptional smaller fighters (who are outliers and represent less than 1/10th of 1% of the population), but let's just focus on normal people. Back in my training days, I sparred with men just 25% larger than me and I could not move them, I could not control them, and it was hard to effect them with strikes, and they had a lot more power behind their strikes and grappling.

Everyone should have at least a fundamental fighting ability, to box and grapple. And any capable fighter is going to land punches. Watch any fight, both be bloodied. Where there is a large size/strength disparity, those punches are going to seriously harm the smaller person unless that person is extremely tough. Most people cannot take a punch to the face/head or a hard fall on the ground. The practical problem is that it is far more difficult to put someone significantly larger than you, on the ground, because you don't have the same leverage points, or the physical strength to lift them even a little off the ground.

Why are football linebackers build the way they are? And linemen? Sure, it's technique, but you need size and strength.

And then there's technique, knowledge, defense. I'd consider myself capable at judo. So I know, most judo throws or choking requires a hand-hold, usually gi but a shirt or belt. Take off your shirt and fight bare chested and you eliminate a big % of any judo throws and chokes. Take off your belt, there goes a lot more throw holds. Knowledge of these tricks is very important.

As I mentioned above, a tall athletic woman completely sucker-punched me with a haymaker, while I was standing in a bar. She cold cocked me for no reason at all, landing a solid hit to the side of my face. Had a capable man done that, I could have been knocked out (and I've seen a man knocked out cold from a similar punch standing outside the bars one night). My reaction was a full out loud laugh. My friends were shocked, and it ended up by hilarious because it literally did nothing to me, not even a bruise. It simply re-affirmed to me that women simply lack the strength or ability to even physically harm a large man.

 

[Spenser]

Changing the subject to the Battle of the ages, does anyone remember that Heavyweight championship fight with George Foreman vs Evander Holyfield on April 19, 1991 ?

I remember my Gramps taking me to his Yacht club to watch the fight on the "Big Screen" (any TV screen would have been bigger then his 19" TV). They had that BIG SUB and fix ins and wings. He even let me drink beer, though I think I ordered a Guinness Stout, being part Irish & Scottish and all.

Was one of those 'great childhood memories'. Too bad for the outcome, winner was not the one I was rooting for.

 

[Real Old Man]

I have the Gold belt in Tae Keon Do, which is the lowest. But, in a real street fight, I would give any thug more than he would ever want. I can beat a very tough man if the stakes were high enough, I have before. That is pretty tough talk for a fat old man isn’t it?

My instructors in TKD were all black belts, and I learned what I should from them.
I taught a 14 year old black belt that it ain’t all about doing katas: because I ran him out of the ring, and the men took over from there. Anyway I didn’t run either of them out of the ring.

OK, enough of an intro.

If the art that you are practicing cannot be used as an in extremis fighting skill, to take out an attacker, you need to work on that. What I am saying is that you need to be at a level and mindset , that if you have to kill and maim, that you are capable of that.

I have heard a litany of reasons to learn a martial art: it builds character and self confidence , and it does, but we live in a world filled with brutality. A brute is someone that must be dealt with in a brutal manner. My personal way of being brutal is to use sticks, or in my case a walking stick made of aluminum. I made it myself, I could take out a pit bull with it....or I think that I could.

There is a BJJ studio over on 34th street, and I am going over there and see what they charge. If it is too much, I will just teach myself. I did that with wrestling, my brother and I would wrestle up a storm. We had a great big yard to do it in, and we taught each other some hard moves.

Try getting out of a headlock when the guy that you are wrestling is an ox. And you ain’t lived until you have rolled over a dog turd, and it’s all over your shirt.
Jesus God In Heaven! To say that I stunk, just isn’t poignant enough.

Or, get your head rolled over a dang rock and see what that does for you. It delivered a TKO for me, and the match was over, just like that.

OK, let me stop for a while, and I will pick up later.

Verbal judo. With a masters in advanced BS.

If you can defuse a situation your response options expand exponential ly

 

[inceptor]

Verbal judo. With a masters in advanced BS.

If you can defuse a situation your response options expand exponential ly

We have the same degree!

 

[AndyFrank]

Our physical health is kung fu. Something from that. I was 9 or 10 when David Carradine's show finished and 13 before an opportunity came to my town, but I got really blessed on that with a full spectrum start.

For people without much combat or just starting, I think my joke about just teaching "Killing with hands" is not so much of a joke now. This isn't muggers stealing a watch in peace time, this is savages stealing everything and delighting in killing old people, women and kids. Confrontations you can't evade should not hesitate to grab the upper hand and just finish it afap without the slightest concern or drama. You spare the woman down the road as well.

 

[Maine-Marine]

I have both kicked ass and had my ass kicked.... Now I use Ching Ching pow.. the old west style of COLT fighting - it is where you toss hot lead at your opponent

 

[inceptor]

I have both kicked ass and had my ass kicked.... Now I use Ching Ching pow.. the old west style of COLT fighting - it is where you toss hot lead at your opponent

God made man, Colt made them equal.

 

[the_sentinel]

I have been through a number of defensive tactics courses, ground fighting schools, knife defense, and baton trainings; both in corrections and now in contract security. Plus of course the annual refreshers required to stay certified. But my original martial training came in the form of judo taught by my dad throughout my childhood, and hapkido that I went to lessons for as a young adult. I also did some boxing and wrestled in high school for a couple years. As far as I am concerned all the lessons from all of them work together. A new BJJ place opened in town and I am thinking about joining up to help me keep in good fighting shape and pick up a few new skills.

 

[bigwheel]

God made man, Colt made them equal.

I am too old..short winded and brittle to fight. I have been trained and do know how to swing an ASP and carry it with me..if they just want to play or have a knife. Not a real ASP but a cheap clone from Amazon that should work by cracky. Otherwise the little mouse gun and/or the Sig .40 are anticipated to be called up to assist.

 

[inceptor]

I am too old..short winded and brittle to fight. I have been trained and do know how to swing an ASP and carry it with me..if they just want to play or have a knife. Not a real ASP but a cheap clone from Amazon that should work by cracky. Otherwise the little mouse gun and/or the Sig .40 are anticipated to be called up to assist.

Similar thoughts here. Too old and broken to carry on fights.

 

[theprincipal]

Generally speaking, martial arts for self defense involves the element of surprise. As in the bad guy not knowing your skill set, then trying to impose their will, and you using your skill set with the combination of timing and technique to survive and escape.

Martial arts for mutual combat or sport is a bit different. Obviously sport has a agreed upon rule set and limitations, with people of somewhat similar skill sets typically being matched up. Combat has a greater element of strategy and tactics, physical attributes, and skill dependency, with a general lack of rules.

Regardless of if one is training for defense, sport, combat, or a combination of the three, unless one has a consistent regiment of training against resisting opponents (close to how it would go in reality), the likelihood of executing what one learns is very low.