[theprincipal]

I trained 10 years in BJJ + 1 year covid layoff. I am hoping to get back to it when I get my second vaccine dose.

 

[MisterMills357]

I trained 10 years in BJJ + 1 year covid layoff. I am hoping to get back to it when I get my second vaccine dose.

Did you compete in tournaments, and is BJJ/ Gracie a great SD school? It sounds great.

 

[KUSA]

BJJ.. did that for 6 years, taught, I think it’s one of the most effective forms of martial arts. What most people do t realize is that 95% of physical encounters go to “the ground”.. either somone is trying to put YOU there, or you’re trying to do the same to them... if you don’t have a ground game, you’re toast. Being comfortable on the ground is paramount to survival in a fight. most people just curl up in little balls and start crying...

While there is merit to what you said, it starts to fall apart when you have multiple attackers. BJJ is a sport and a darned good one but getting back on your feet is an important life saving thing to do.

 

[MisterMills357]

The guy in the white trunks gets knocked out with a knee, at the 7:00 mark.

 

[MisterMills357]

While there is merit to what you said, it starts to fall apart when you have multiple attackers. BJJ is a sport and a darned good one but getting back on your feet is an important life saving thing to do.

You’re right.
They all fall apart if you have multiple attackers, that’s why I always have a knife or metal rod walking stick with me.
And, When I get around to getting a CCW, I will have a .40 with me most of the time, rain or shine.
I will shoot them.

 

[NKAWTG]

Japanese Archery - Kyudo
I'm a 3rd Dan – Sandan or in American 3rd degree black belt.
Here is a video demonstration, the guy in front with the salt and pepper hair administered my Sandan test.

 

[rice paddy daddy]

Nope, never learned any martial arts other than those with military weapons.
I'm confident I could kill someone with a cane or walking stick, based on my bayonet training.
At 72, I just carry a concealed gun plus a fixed blade knife very prominent on my belt. I figure bad guys will look for an easier target.
Besides, the old real estate adage applies: "Location, location, location."

 

[inceptor]

I'll have you know that I know Judo, Karate and several other Japanese words.

 

[Trihonda]

While there is merit to what you said, it starts to fall apart when you have multiple attackers. BJJ is a sport and a darned good one but getting back on your feet is an important life saving thing to do.

Yup, as MisterMills said, they ALL fall apart with multiple attackers, unless you're either Steven Segal (fighting against placid "attackers") or Jack Reacher...

I have studied Aikido (and some Krav). But multiple attackers is scary, and I've only been involved in that scenario once (and it was just one aggressor, and a few "buddy" onlookers that looked like they could be convinced to join in, if I hadn't been decisive dealing with the main guy).

The fights I've been involved in, I've always metered my action, by only disrupting the attack, pinning or locking up my attacker, or submission. I've always felt very close to (if not completely) 100% in control.. My best advice against multiple attackers is to take the gloves off and go for the jugular (so to speak) and completely break joints (elbows/wrists/knees) and ensure that you prevent them from getting back into the fight, and possibly educate the other attackers that they chose the wrong victim.

Fighting isn't glamorous, and when I teach self defense classes, I always start by asking the class "what's the best way to win a physical encounter?". The obvious answer is... "Avoid getting into it in the first place". IMHO, this is accomplished through being aware of your surroundings, recognizing dangerous situations and environments before they escalate, AND in some cases talking your way out of them. I never let my ego get me into a fight. Some knucklehead wants to start a fight because he feels I looked at his girlfriend funny, I'll apologize for the misunderstanding, and redirect. De-escalation is a great skillset to have. Often times having confidence and a strong "presence" can dissuade an aggressor, but sometimes drugs and stupidity make it inevitable that you'll have to defend yourself. Game on.

I could rattle on for days about this stuff... sorry.

 

[rice paddy daddy]

I have studied, and practice Ka Chunk.
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That's the sound made when chambering the 12 gauge.

 

[inceptor]

Yup, as MisterMills said, they ALL fall apart with multiple attackers, unless you're either Steven Segal (fighting against placid "attackers") or Jack Reacher...

I have studied Aikido (and some Krav). But multiple attackers is scary, and I've only been involved in that scenario once (and it was just one aggressor, and a few "buddy" onlookers that looked like they could be convinced to join in, if I hadn't been decisive dealing with the main guy).

The fights I've been involved in, I've always metered my action, by only disrupting the attack, pinning or locking up my attacker, or submission. I've always felt very close to (if not completely) 100% in control.. My best advice against multiple attackers is to take the gloves off and go for the jugular (so to speak) and completely break joints (elbows/wrists/knees) and ensure that you prevent them from getting back into the fight, and possibly educate the other attackers that they chose the wrong victim.

Fighting isn't glamorous, and when I teach self defense classes, I always start by asking the class "what's the best way to win a physical encounter?". The obvious answer is... "Avoid getting into it in the first place". IMHO, this is accomplished through being aware of your surroundings, recognizing dangerous situations and environments before they escalate, AND in some cases talking your way out of them. I never let my ego get me into a fight. Some knucklehead wants to start a fight because he feels I looked at his girlfriend funny, I'll apologize for the misunderstanding, and redirect. De-escalation is a great skillset to have. Often times having confidence and a strong "presence" can dissuade an aggressor, but sometimes drugs and stupidity make it inevitable that you'll have to defend yourself. Game on.

I could rattle on for days about this stuff... sorry.

I found myself in that position once when I was a whole lot younger. I had a chain belt that removed several of them and a friend who was close by who did the same to the rest. We walked out.

Now I'm way too old for that crap. I still have protection though.

 

[rice paddy daddy]

I found myself in that position once when I was a whole lot younger. I had a chain belt that removed several of them and a friend who was close by who did the same to the rest. We walked out.

Now I'm way too old for that crap. I still have protection though.

yup. .357 magnum, 125 grain jacketed soft point into the intestines at a distance of, say, 5 feet.
When the gore comes spewing out, Bubba Boy's friends will leave.

 

[2020 Convert]

At one of the college club wrestling teams I coached, BJJ was on after us. Sometimes my wrestlers would stay on to learn a new sport. I would watch to try to learn it.
Even tired guys, that puked in my practice did pretty well. Not knocking BJJ, just don’t think it’s it’s a tough.

 

[theprincipal]

At one of the college club wrestling teams I coached, BJJ was on after us. Sometimes my wrestlers would stay on to learn a new sport. I would watch to try to learn it.
Even tired guys, that puked in my practice did pretty well. Not knocking BJJ, just don’t think it’s it’s a tough.

You are correct that BJJ isn’t as “tough” as college wrestling, as far as the physical intensity of a typical practice. That being said, most of the high level BJJ practitioners that I know hold other legit grappling arts, like folkstyle/Greco/freestyle wrestling & judo in very high regard.

 

[theprincipal]

Did you compete in tournaments, and is BJJ/ Gracie a great SD school? It sounds great.

I have competed, but it was never my focus. As far as BJJ for self defense; yes, I think it is great. That being said, what a good self defense focused MA to practice for someone really depends on a lot of factors. Most people that want a general skill set would benefit from a beginner MMA program. From there, they may want to spend a bit more time on striking, ground fighting, and/or wrestling if it appeals to them.... What you want to stay away from is anything that doesn’t have live sparring as a significant component of the training.

 

[Trihonda]

What you want to stay away from is anything that doesn’t have live sparring as a significant component of the training.

yup, I agree. When I was practicing BJJ, our sessions always involved 60-90 minutes of sparring. We’d run 2 minutes on, 1 minute off (finding another partner). The level of fitness it developed was outstanding, AND you had to develop recovery/rest skills. How to stay in the fight (or survive) when exhausted. I’ve witnessed many of the LE folks I’ve trained get gassed after 30 seconds of grappling.

 

[MisterMills357]

I have competed, but it was never my focus. As far as BJJ for self defense; yes, I think it is great. That being said, what a good self defense focused MA to practice for someone really depends on a lot of factors. Most people that want a general skill set would benefit from a beginner MMA program. From there, they may want to spend a bit more time on striking, ground fighting, and/or wrestling if it appeals to them.... What you want to stay away from is anything that doesn’t have live sparring as a significant component of the training.

I figure that competitions can only improve a fighter, by putting him up against other fighters, who are all at the same level of ability. That might be easier said than done, since schools have different belt systems. I think that the length of time, that they have trained would work though, as a match setting.

yup, I agree. When I was practicing BJJ, our sessions always involved 60-90 minutes of sparring. We’d run 2 minutes on, 1 minute off (finding another partner). The level of fitness it developed was outstanding, AND you had to develop recovery/rest skills. How to stay in the fight (or survive) when exhausted. I’ve witnessed many of the LE folks I’ve trained get gassed after 30 seconds of grappling.

That is a very vigorous work out, and it sounds like it’s just what I need. A martial art can be worthless without a strong exercise regimen. I wonder how many men get into the MA realm: thinking that it’s just learning moves and how to KO an attacker. Probably a whole lot of them do, and then quickly drop out, when the hard work starts.

 

[theprincipal]

I figure that competitions can only improve a fighter, by putting him up against other fighters, who are all at the same level of ability. That might be easier said than done, since schools have different belt systems. I think that the length of time, that they have trained would work though, as a match setting.




That is a very vigorous work out, and it sounds like it’s just what I need. A martial art can be worthless without a strong exercise regimen. I wonder how many men get into the MA realm: thinking that it’s just learning moves and how to KO an attacker. Probably a whole lot of them do, and then quickly drop out, when the hard work starts.

Brazilian Jiujitsu schools have a uniform belt system. Submission grappling (no-gi BJJ) often uses experience to place competitors in divisions. No matter what there can still be a wide range of skills within a division. Smaller tournaments are best for your average hobbyists, while larger ones are better suited for full time competitors.

You are correct that competition is a learning accelerator. There is really no way to simulate that kind of intensity and test one’s skills. I would certainly recommend everyone try it who learns BJJ/grappling.

 

[MisterMills357]

Brazilian Jiujitsu schools have a uniform belt system. Submission grappling (no-gi BJJ) often uses experience to place competitors in divisions. No matter what there can still be a wide range of skills within a division. Smaller tournaments are best for your average hobbyists, while larger ones are better suited for full time competitors.

You are correct that competition is a learning accelerator. There is really no way to simulate that kind of intensity and test one’s skills. I would certainly recommend everyone try it who learns BJJ/grappling.

There is a school for BJJ a few miles from me, and I am better suited to that skill, than I am for TKD.
If I can locate a good school of Judo, that might suit me best. I wrestled my brother as a kid, and both of us turned into pretty good grapplers and tossers.

 

[MisterMills357]

The Chinese chick won the fight, the scoring was pretty close, but Zhang won it.