[NMPRN]

They finally filed the Texas Independence Referendum Act this week. It'll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere.

I live across the line from Texas but I've been following the TEXIT movement pretty close. If Texas ever actually gains it's independence, folks will have a pretty narrow to move. The U.S. would have to be a whole lot worse off than it already is before I'd consider moving. But at the rate we're going who knows...

I'd be interested in Kauboy's take on the whole thing.

 

[Kauboy]

I have thoughts on it, but they're not well organized yet.
I'll try to assemble something coherent tomorrow.

As a teaser... "I'm conflicted" sums up my position at the moment. There's so much to consider.

 

[AndyFrank]

Gooood morning viet nam!

When the fed pulls all away and makes a fecitious point of not-doing-anything, there will be a great social adjustment and after that, we will see.
One immediate effect will be those who consider it a wilder trade border than ever, while some consider it an azzho border and i also think it will go full light up like vegas, just a lot of it will look like juarez.
More all night juarez or other border town - and you will be able to get anything, anything. Not just kids and dope like now. Industrial supplies and raw materials previously unreachable without more risk and cost.
If texas secedes, im thinking a chemical company where they could literally set the pallets across the line. Manufacturing is coming back, people need industrial chemicals and products. Metal and medicine, paint thinner and raw ingredients.

But - Im prepared to have a live on site shotgun crew and full surveillance.....

 

[Kauboy]

Texas leaving the union...

Could we sustain ourselves? And, would we have to?
Texas has an abundance of natural resources, largely due to the fact that it's such a large landmass. There is a tremendous fossil fuel reserve in the Barnett shale, and combined with all other extraction methods currently in play in Texas, it could sustain itself on its own fossil fuel energy alone for ~30 years on proven reserves, and potentially 150+ years on "technically recoverable" resources.
Since its highly unlikely that an isolationist position would be employed, this isn't much a concern... but it's nice to have the option. Without federal regulations, extraction methods and activity would greatly increase, and new reserves would likely be identified leading to an absolute glut of fossil fuel energy in Texas to use for trade.

The climate is fairly temperate most of the year, but our soil isn't always the best. It's not easy to grow non-native crops here without serious amendments to the soil. Native crops, however, grow all too well.
We have abundant cotton, corn, wheat, feed grains, oats, and lots of pasture land for our large cattle industry. We also have droughts... which make things very difficult from time to time.

We have the largest branch of National Guardsmen by state, at ~23,000. We have a long history of experience securing our borders, and would likely become exceptionally efficient at it if no longer ham-hocked by the federal government. I can say for sure, the southern wall would get finished. It would become a matter of actual "national security" to stop the flow of illegal aliens and illegal drugs into Texas. My apologies to the other states which will absolutely suffer an influx as a result.
Along with our National Guard, we also have a well armed society.
I used ChatGPT to give me an estimate of firearms in Texas, and how many that would equate to per household. It stated that a 2018 (so pre-COVID) survey of civilian owned firearms in Texas revealed 21.5 million. With 29 million people in the state, averaged into homes of 2.84 people, that would be 556,552 firearms per household.
I know that's comically misleading, but I found it very funny. The point is, without federal regulations, that number would go up and it's already the 2nd largest civilian firearm count in the nation (behind California, of all places, at 25.1m).

I know this oversimplifies a lot of things, but it covers some big basics... Energy, Food, Security.

In a follow-up, I'll go further into whether it's actually a good idea or not.

 

[AndyFrank]

. I can say for sure, the southern wall would get finished. It would become a matter of actual "national security" to stop the flow of illegal aliens and illegal drugs into Texas. My apologies to the other states which will absolutely suffer an influx as a result.
Along with our National Guard, we also have a well

Yes all the depots, traffickers and evangelicals can hardly wait. Be so many people will be knocking them off for their $2500 free money cards. They will be selling their back packs to the first taker and takers will just be taking them. Everybody that even looks like they could be a driver will be getting hijacked. They will just pull over and open the trunk "see? no money? Can i go?"
The west will go wild again

 

[bigwheel]

Sam Houston tried his best to convince those intent on seceeding the first time not to do it. It would be equally dumb to bug out again.most likely.

Sam Houston, Texas Secession — and Robert E. Lee

No secession ball will mark the day. But 150 years ago today, on Feb. 1, 1861, a state convention voted overwhelmingly to secede from the Union, against the fervent wishes of Gov. Sam Houston. Caught in the mess was one Robert E. Lee, a federal officer in what had become a rebel state.

www.texastribune.org

 

[ErickthePutz]

Texas leaving the union...

Could we sustain ourselves? And, would we have to?
Texas has an abundance of natural resources, largely due to the fact that it's such a large landmass. There is a tremendous fossil fuel reserve in the Barnett shale, and combined with all other extraction methods currently in play in Texas, it could sustain itself on its own fossil fuel energy alone for ~30 years on proven reserves, and potentially 150+ years on "technically recoverable" resources.
Since its highly unlikely that an isolationist position would be employed, this isn't much a concern... but it's nice to have the option. Without federal regulations, extraction methods and activity would greatly increase, and new reserves would likely be identified leading to an absolute glut of fossil fuel energy in Texas to use for trade.

The climate is fairly temperate most of the year, but our soil isn't always the best. It's not easy to grow non-native crops here without serious amendments to the soil. Native crops, however, grow all too well.
We have abundant cotton, corn, wheat, feed grains, oats, and lots of pasture land for our large cattle industry. We also have droughts... which make things very difficult from time to time.

We have the largest branch of National Guardsmen by state, at ~23,000. We have a long history of experience securing our borders, and would likely become exceptionally efficient at it if no longer ham-hocked by the federal government. I can say for sure, the southern wall would get finished. It would become a matter of actual "national security" to stop the flow of illegal aliens and illegal drugs into Texas. My apologies to the other states which will absolutely suffer an influx as a result.
Along with our National Guard, we also have a well armed society.
I used ChatGPT to give me an estimate of firearms in Texas, and how many that would equate to per household. It stated that a 2018 (so pre-COVID) survey of civilian owned firearms in Texas revealed 21.5 million. With 29 million people in the state, averaged into homes of 2.84 people, that would be 556,552 firearms per household.
I know that's comically misleading, but I found it very funny. The point is, without federal regulations, that number would go up and it's already the 2nd largest civilian firearm count in the nation (behind California, of all places, at 25.1m).

I know this oversimplifies a lot of things, but it covers some big basics... Energy, Food, Security.

In a follow-up, I'll go further into whether it's actually a good idea or not.

How would you secure the other borders?

 

[Demitri.14]

I'm not from TX, but I like this idea. It just demonstrates that more and more people are actively pushing back on the Woke/Liberal/Marxist movement.

If this moves forward, there will be a lot of details that need to be worked out.

Its going to be an interesting ride !

 

[ItsJustMe]

Native Texan here; have lived there for most of my life. I moved away five years ago and am now looking to go back.

This is not the first time a legislator has introduced a secession bill. It has happened numerous times before and always gets sent to committee where it just quietly dies.

Don't get your hopes up.

 

[Spenser]

Former Texan, and realist. Texas is failing to see the big picture. To leave the USA and become independent, the rest of the USA would most likely put tariffs on every export just like they do with foreign nations. Being independent, there is also going to be issues with using American currency, as in the end the value of a Dollar in the rest of the USA will be higher than it would be in Texas.

Having a bad season in farming or numerous droughts would also affect their bottom line. I won't lie, it is an interesting proposition, but look at the consequences of the Brexit. Not to mention, the rest of the USA produces 90 % of our economy, meaning no federal help in case of emergencies.

With the rest of the US shying away from fossil fuels, Texas will be in the same situation as Russia over the next 20 years while the world utilizes other means for heating homes.

Personally I think it would be a mistake, and the first several years are going to be a nightmare of uncertainty.

Man do I miss Tex-Mex Fajitas.

 

[ItsJustMe]

IF the history we studied in Texas schools was correct, and IF my old memory serves, when Texas was an independent country, "money" was basically non-existent and/or worthless. Now, would Texas retain the USD as the legal form of exchange, would the state declare another form of cash? Backed by? It gets complicated very quickly.

 

[AndyFrank]

IF the history we studied in Texas schools was correct, and IF my old memory serves, when Texas was an independent country, "money" was basically non-existent and/or worthless. Now, would Texas retain the USD as the legal form of exchange, would the state declare another form of cash? Backed by? It gets complicated very quickly.

I think backed by gold. Doesn't texas have a billion size pile of gold? They can back a currency. Not that they will.

 

[AndyFrank]

Former Texan, and realist. Texas is failing to see the big picture. To leave the USA and become independent, the rest of the USA would most likely put tariffs on every export just like they do with foreign nations. Being independent, there is also going to be issues with using American currency, as in the end the value of a Dollar in the rest of the USA will be higher than it would be in Texas.

Having a bad season in farming or numerous droughts would also affect their bottom line. I won't lie, it is an interesting proposition, but look at the consequences of the Brexit. Not to mention, the rest of the USA produces 90 % of our economy, meaning no federal help in case of emergencies.

With the rest of the US shying away from fossil fuels, Texas will be in the same situation as Russia over the next 20 years while the world utilizes other means for heating homes.

Personally I think it would be a mistake, and the first several years are going to be a nightmare of uncertainty.

Man do I miss Tex-Mex Fajitas.

Who is "shying away from fossil fuels"??? Only a few tards bought battery cars and wind farms are not working out so well.

 

[NMPRN]

They've had terabytes of discussion on the details of doing this (what happens with social security etc.) and it sounds like they've got it all sorted out.

I don't think it'll ever happen but the fact that movements like TEXIT and Greater Idaho are gaining traction in state legislatures speaks volumes about the discontent in this country.

 

[ItsJustMe]

Some tech companies have moved into Texas and I doubt serioiusly if they would allow TEXIT to happen.

 

[NMPRN]

Some tech companies have moved into Texas and I doubt serioiusly if they would allow TEXIT to happen.

Maybe the opposite would be true. Companies might flock to the new Texas Republic because it was a better place to run their business.

 

[inceptor]

One thing that no one has bothered to mention but is kind of significant is that Texas has the 9th largest economy in the world.

 

[Back Pack Hack]

Some tech companies have moved into Texas and I doubt serioiusly if they would allow TEXIT to happen.

All the people that moved to Texas from Commiefornia would likely be a larger issue.

 

[Kauboy]

As I'm still putting my thoughts together, I'll at least point out that the bill is wholly non-binding. If it passes, and if the ballot referendum passes, it only triggers the creation of a committee that will begin hammering out details, as well as initiating the sending of notifications of the referendum result to state and federal government officials, including the president.

 

[NMPRN]

as well as initiating the sending of notifications of the referendum result to state and federal government officials, including the president.

Hopefully it'll make a splash in the media. Having a state take the first official step towards secession, even if it has no chance of passing, won't help biden or the woke asylum in 2024.