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The base commissary was open on the first day of Government shutdown to sell all the perishables. Mind you this is a military installation and people stealing from others carts. Because of this multiple fights broke out causing security forces to be called in to calm the situation. The mood never changed and SF personnel had to remain on scene until the store closed.

If this is what happens on base, what the hell will happen if something affects a large portion of the civilian sector?
 

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Man, that's bad. That day while my husband was at work on his base (Navy), they were flat out told to avoid the commissary, it was chaos. Some of his friends went by, and they didn't even get into the store, it was so crowded. Kinda sad and very scary to think of a situation like that on base, you think you'd have more order. Glad I didn't try to rush out and get in there!
 

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Just imagine if it were a REAL shtf situation.. Just goes to show ya. If something were to happen here in the states.. Do you think the troops would be following the government or trying to take care of their own families??
 

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There seems to be a general sense of anger and frustration in the land that has been building for several years now.
I lay the blame squarely at the feet of Obama.
Why, you ask?
The President has enormous influence over the mood of the country. Just look at Ronald Reagan. He inherited a public that was worn out by the Vietnam War, and furious at what Jimmy Carter had done to the nation. Reagan was always upbeat and positive, and slowly the American public atitude began to change.
Obama could do the same thing, if he wished. He still has time to change the direction of public attitude and go down in history in a positive way. At the moment, he ranks with Carter at the bottom.
 
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There seems to be a general sense of anger and frustration in the land that has been building for several years now.
I lay the blame squarely at the feet of Obama.
Why, you ask?
The President has enormous influence over the mood of the country. Just look at Ronald Reagan. He inherited a public that was worn out by the Vietnam War, and furious at what Jimmy Carter had done to the nation. Reagan was always upbeat and positive, and slowly the American public atitude began to change.
Obama could do the same thing, if he wished. He still has time to change the direction of public attitude and go down in history in a positive way. At the moment, he ranks with Carter at the bottom.
I also blame the president. He has been going on tv and trying to place the blame on Boehner though.. It is actually ALMOST comical at what is happening.. He is trying to to get the American people to go against Boehner saying that all he has to do is agree with me and everything will go ahead.. Before it is over, I think he will get Boehner to fold.. I hope not, but he probably will..
 

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nobama doesn't want things to change, this is what he has been working for, Americans fighting Americans while nobama lets terrorists slip through the border unchecked. Here's nobama change folks, watch for it! Fighting on American military bases would be just what nobama would need to call in foreign troops to settle things down, get the UN involved in the US homeland. nobama would swear he didn't want to do it but he had no choice, things where getting out of control!
 

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nobama doesn't want things to change, this is what he has been working for, Americans fighting Americans while nobama lets terrorists slip through the border unchecked. Here's nobama change folks, watch for it! Fighting on American military bases would be just what nobama would need to call in foreign troops to settle things down, get the UN involved in the US homeland. nobama would swear he didn't want to do it but he had no choice, things where getting out of control!
I couldn't see any Base commander or unit commander surrendering any power to foreign troops on US soil let alone Joe. Power is always jealously guarded.
 

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Let give you some good news for a change. We got some amazing people protecting this nation and here is an example. As I posted elsewhere here on preppers, I’m working/camping down here on the southern border. With the help of modern technology I’m able to talk to you guys and get all the usual bullshit paperwork done that goes along with a law enforcement operation. As I’m sitting here, one of the agents on this operation walks in to grab some chow, his ass didn’t even hit the chair when a couple other agents start heading for the door saying, “Got another group coming up through (undisclosed Location)! All he says is, “Let me get my gun belt.” We are not getting paid, we are not getting a per-diem, and we sure as hell are not getting overtime. This kid just put in a full day and is heading out with just a quick snack. We don’t know when we will be getting paid or if we will get back pay and these hard chargers are going after it.
 

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Let give you some good news for a change. We got some amazing people protecting this nation and here is an example. As I posted elsewhere here on preppers, I'm working/camping down here on the southern border. With the help of modern technology I'm able to talk to you guys and get all the usual bullshit paperwork done that goes along with a law enforcement operation. As I'm sitting here, one of the agents on this operation walks in to grab some chow, his ass didn't even hit the chair when a couple other agents start heading for the door saying, "Got another group coming up through (undisclosed Location)! All he says is, "Let me get my gun belt." We are not getting paid, we are not getting a per-diem, and we sure as hell are not getting overtime. This kid just put in a full day and is heading out with just a quick snack. We don't know when we will be getting paid or if we will get back pay and these hard chargers are going after it.
THANK GOD for young men like him, and honorable men like you. Tell these fine gentlemen/women, that I am PROUD of them, and my family sleeps safer, becouse of the sacrifices they/you are making right now. Check your PM for my name and number, If you EVER get to Alb. or Farmington, I would love to buy you a beer.
 

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THANK GOD for young men like him, and honorable men like you. Tell these fine gentlemen/women, that I am PROUD of them, and my family sleeps safer, becouse of the sacrifices they/you are making right now. Check your PM for my name and number, If you EVER get to Alb. or Farmington, I would love to buy you a beer.
I agree 100%.
I'll confess, when meangreen first came I was skeptical of him. He has changed my mind though.
I have a close relationship with several LEO's, and I am thankfull for, and supportive of, the good ones. And that includes meangreen.
 

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Let give you some good news for a change. We got some amazing people protecting this nation and here is an example. As I posted elsewhere here on preppers, I'm working/camping down here on the southern border. With the help of modern technology I'm able to talk to you guys and get all the usual bullshit paperwork done that goes along with a law enforcement operation. As I'm sitting here, one of the agents on this operation walks in to grab some chow, his ass didn't even hit the chair when a couple other agents start heading for the door saying, "Got another group coming up through (undisclosed Location)! All he says is, "Let me get my gun belt." We are not getting paid, we are not getting a per-diem, and we sure as hell are not getting overtime. This kid just put in a full day and is heading out with just a quick snack. We don't know when we will be getting paid or if we will get back pay and these hard chargers are going after it.
I think we could self-fund the border patrol and pay an extra bounty for each catch - just sentence each person to 6 months hard labor and their wages go to pay for more security and a one way ticket back, waaaaay back.

Thanks for the hard work!
 

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I think we could self-fund the border patrol and pay an extra bounty for each catch - just sentence each person to 6 months hard labor and their wages go to pay for more security and a one way ticket back, waaaaay back.

Thanks for the hard work!
Thank you everyone and I'm in awe of the young men and women that I'm honored to work with every day. You can see why I'm skeptical and why I take it so personal when people call us Obama's police or that we would turn on the American people. These young Americans risk their lives down here stopping the flow of drugs and illegal aliens crossing the border and if you have been watching some of the independent news sources, you will also know about stopping the flow of Muslims entering Arizona. Thanks again for your support and Deebo, I will take you up on that beer one day!
 

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Thank you everyone and I'm in awe of the young men and women that I'm honored to work with every day. You can see why I'm skeptical and why I take it so personal when people call us Obama's police or that we would turn on the American people. These young Americans risk their lives down here stopping the flow of drugs and illegal aliens crossing the border and if you have been watching some of the independent news sources, you will also know about stopping the flow of Muslims entering Arizona. Thanks again for your support and Deebo, I will take you up on that beer one day!
It's got to be a tough row to hoe, there are a lot of good guys and gals out there doing important work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones out there messing it up for others, but if you try to point this out you get labeled as hating the good do'ers too.

I got into prepping after doing work with DHS, met a lot of very good people doing good work, and a lot of people who weren't bad but liked to soak up $10's of millions of dollars every year entrenching themselves and creating even more waste. When I tried to point out a 'small' thing that could have saved millions I almost go rode out on a rail - if they fixed that it would cost them so much in grant money and people would lose their jobs... But when there is a real need for something there isn't money left over to do it... Ugh...

In a sane world we would go line by line and job by job instead of dept by dept, we are borrowing half of what we spend and half of what we spend could go unspent and it wouldn't be noticed by the populace at large. But we are just stuck in a nuthouse or hamster wheel, take your pick.
 

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It's got to be a tough row to hoe, there are a lot of good guys and gals out there doing important work. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones out there messing it up for others, but if you try to point this out you get labeled as hating the good do'ers too.

I got into prepping after doing work with DHS, met a lot of very good people doing good work, and a lot of people who weren't bad but liked to soak up $10's of millions of dollars every year entrenching themselves and creating even more waste. When I tried to point out a 'small' thing that could have saved millions I almost go rode out on a rail - if they fixed that it would cost them so much in grant money and people would lose their jobs... But when there is a real need for something there isn't money left over to do it... Ugh...

In a sane world we would go line by line and job by job instead of dept by dept, we are borrowing half of what we spend and half of what we spend could go unspent and it wouldn't be noticed by the populace at large. But we are just stuck in a nuthouse or hamster wheel, take your pick.
It sounds like you were much further up the food chain, let me guess the excutive branch?
 

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It sounds like you were much further up the food chain, let me guess the excutive branch?
Actually it was state level stuff - my specialty is mergers and acquisitions - I was brought in when they started combining state agencies and giving new 'responsibilities'.

One of the responsibilities was flood plain management - over a couple of state region they had at least a couple hundred full time employees, each with govt cars, and other equipment that went out and monitored locations that were 'bought out' when they were flooded. Govt wrote them a check to relocate (and most didn't even have federal insurance, at least that's what I was told...) and then spends $10's of millions a year to make sure they don't rebuild.

Another one of their responsibilities was keeping all maps and data points up to date - for which they purchased a pricey solution (can't remember the acronym... it will come to me) that they could flag an address and it will provide satellite photo updates 2 or 3 times a year.

Already owned and knew how to use it, MAYBE add one data entry person and save a ton. I was personally escorted from that discussion by one of the states directors, and politely but firmly told to stfu, and given a pat on the back.

I saw at least half a dozen other similar situations but just decided to B**** about them over beer.
 

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Actually it was state level stuff - my specialty is mergers and acquisitions - I was brought in when they started combining state agencies and giving new 'responsibilities'.

One of the responsibilities was flood plain management - over a couple of state region they had at least a couple hundred full time employees, each with govt cars, and other equipment that went out and monitored locations that were 'bought out' when they were flooded. Govt wrote them a check to relocate (and most didn't even have federal insurance, at least that's what I was told...) and then spends $10's of millions a year to make sure they don't rebuild.

Another one of their responsibilities was keeping all maps and data points up to date - for which they purchased a pricey solution (can't remember the acronym... it will come to me) that they could flag an address and it will provide satellite photo updates 2 or 3 times a year.

Already owned and knew how to use it, MAYBE add one data entry person and save a ton. I was personally escorted from that discussion by one of the states directors, and politely but firmly told to stfu, and given a pat on the back.

I saw at least half a dozen other similar situations but just decided to B**** about them over beer.
If it ever starts to make sense, it's time to get out.
 
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