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This thread is part of the "Coming Civil War" group of threads.
Please see the Primer/Premise thread --> HERE <-- for context and links to other related topics.


(Disclaimer: This is not a call to action, nor a place to make threats against individuals/groups/etc. This is to discuss tactics that have been employed, or could be employed, during wartime by civilians to resist and respond to tyranny in any form. We don't need to end up on some list, or get mentioned in the next debate.)

The threat is likely to be lower out in the rural areas of the country. There's just too much land to cover, and not much to be gained from a large scale movement into the countryside.

That said, there are some key locations only found out in these rural areas that could become targets.
  • Big farm towns that handle large volume food production
  • Dairy/beef farms
  • Biofuel sourcing farms
  • Natural gas and oil wells/pipelines
  • Others???

These types of locations could come under attack, and the folks in and around the area would be best served to assist in keeping them safe and secure. The nation operates on food and fuel. Affecting these will have a local impact for sure, but potentially a nation-wide impact as well.
If the trucks can still operate, keeping the raw resources of these industries ticking will be of supreme importance.
On the topic of trucks, that might be another area where militia groups could help with security. Safety zones, security convoys, on-board protection teams, all could become necessary to keep the lifeblood of the country rolling.

So, how can folks prepare or respond if attacks take place out in these areas?
You're generally dealing with two landscape scenarios. Thick brush and wooded areas, or large open plains. There are varying degrees between these, and tactics can be adjusted to accommodate.
You'll mainly be deciding between long-range defense, or obstructed views and short ranges. Using the land to your benefit will give a large advantage. Knowing the easiest paths an approaching group could take, and making them harder to pass would be something worth planning for. Funneling routes and choke-points will make for short work of any who think they're going to cause mayhem.

Yes, those deer rifles will potentially play a major role in rural defense. An arsonist trying to start a wildfire near homes should expect lethal force in response to stop their action.
Best to keep them at a distance if you can catch them before they reach you. Will checkpoints become a thing on major roads near small towns? If a caravan of rioters and extremists blow through it, what will the response be? Should you so choose, can you make that 300yd shot? Personally, I'd aim for the engine block. Try to stop them cold before they get too close, pinch them between the checkpoint detail and the town's patrol folks. Be mindful of friendly fire. Your checkpoint team should have a plan for flanking to one side to avoid it. Preferably behind pre-built berms for such an occasion.

What else can be done out in the sticks to protect potential targets from attack?
 

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You bring up a good point about shutting down the truckers. Without those guys running no place in the country will be spared from the effects. Would think it be nearly impossible to guard them on cross country runs. One well placed shot through the windshield, radiator or front tire will stop any truck. Will the whole convoy stop if one truck gets hit? Will any driver be willing to risk life and limb to run?

Do you have enough firepower to actually defend yourself against vehicles? What about body armor? Your PCC or handgun won't be much good in the real world once the SHTF in a rural area. Allowing threats to even get within range of your chosen weapon will be a major mistake. Things to keep in mind when making your next purchase.
 

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Rural areas very a lot. In mountains of TN you do not have a lot of open ground. In Indiana you do. Here I have open ground and what most would consider long range shots are there. Nice thing about your land is you no the dead spots. If you are smart range cards and markers are something you have done and have used. Maybe for hunting or practice.
The right Dog or Dogs can be a big help in rural areas. They know before you when something is up. When the Dog alerts pay attention . Even if you don't see it yet there may well be something going on.
Pray it never comes to this . Prepare as if they are on the way.
 

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All good points. City and suburban dweller will head to the country for a number of reasons. First and foremost will be food. They think, right or wrong, that rural people grow all their food and have ample. Yes, true to some extent but not completely. Rural people will need to protect livestock, chickens, pigs, horses, etc. Anything that can be considered food. Not to mention gardens or crops.

Living in areas that are limited in access is good. One or two roads sealed off making them come cross country. Texas has open flat lands, mostly fenced and 95% of it is privately owned. Long story on that one. Crossing someone’s land in Texas will definitely be risking their lives.

Shutting down 2 small roads will effectively seal off my area. No way around a road block as on either side are drainage ditches that unless it’s an Abrahams tank, can’t be crossed. (Although a few trucks in the past have inadvertently tired.. much to our humor).

Dogs are good for protection or at a minimum an alert to an intruder.

Range markers down the roads...

An as my nephew said... a wall of lead is pretty good deterrent.
 

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........................ Pray it never comes to this . Prepare as if they are on the way.
My personal fear is that they ARE on the way . . . no one has pushed the start button yet though.

May God bless,
Dwight
 

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Commercially available drones for patrolling. Heat sensors for nighttime surveillance. Technically proficient folks could be an invaluable resource in perimeter security as 1 drone can cover more distance, requiring less resources (recharging) than a patrol on horseback, vehicles, etc.... ( food, water, feed, gas). They would free up personnel that could either rest, help around the community or be allocated to sectors that need to address a threat. They could also be kitted out with audio to warn potential trespassers or marauders to turn back.

Godspeed.
 

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Commercially available drones for patrolling. Heat sensors for nighttime surveillance. Technically proficient folks could be an invaluable resource in perimeter security as 1 drone can cover more distance, requiring less resources (recharging) than a patrol on horseback, vehicles, etc.... ( food, water, feed, gas). They would free up personnel that could either rest, help around the community or be allocated to sectors that need to address a threat. They could also be kitted out with audio to warn potential trespassers or marauders to turn back.

Godspeed.
Thinking from the marauders perspective... ah good! A clay pigeon being flown by a plump little drone operator... boys we are eating steak tonight! ( sorry my dark humor gets the best of me )
 

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Thinking from the marauders perspective... ah good! A clay pigeon being flown by a plump little drone operator... boys we are eating steak tonight! ( sorry my dark humor gets the best of me )
Cook with the fatty part on top so it drips down if we are going cannibal. BBQ sauce optional.

Those cavemen in IRAQ and SYRIA that liked beheading people until they were bombed back into their caves had remarkable success using drones that dropped explosives on Kurdish troops a couple of years back. So that pimply Stay Puff Marshmallow Man operator may have a bit of an edge.

Godspeed and watch that sky.
 

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Rural areas have many advantages because most who come from the city are not woods savvy and end up getting themselves hurt. I for one prefer aversion/diversion to conflict. Meaning I want to divert folks away by strategically making certain roads or trails in accessible by vehicle and/or ensuring that they know they are in mortal danger if they proceed.

Set up either a check point with a means to isolate yourself from the vehicles (i.e. don't let them drive up to you). let them state their business and then escort them along the approved path to which ever point of exit they need to go (without giving them a view of what you have like buildings/stores/farms).

Freedom to travel is something we should allow....restrictions on travel en-masse through your area is warranted. Simply telling someone to turn around and go back, without helping them get to where they want to go could be devastating to the traveler. Enough so that they would resort to violence. So avoid pushing your average person to that point.

on your property, put some time into walking, riding etc in ways that skirt the outside of your property. (example coming from the south of your land, make a trail that leads around and out to the east or west and then comes out north of your land. Use camouflaged switch backs off of the trails to make your way to your property. Then you can place any observation posts on the inside of those trails and they can track people moving through the area.

Use early warning on the inside of those trails to detect folks cutting off the trails towards your home. put signs on the trails that warn of risks of getting off of the trails or stopping movement. You could even run a communications line out you can talk to them. (i.e. OP sees them. activates a land line phone out along the trail. Talks to them. You find out who they are and what they want or have to barter. Then at least you have established what you're dealing with. OP can verify by spot checking visually.) "Hey...what are you guys doing?"..."we're passin through to such and such and we got women and kids....". "You wanna swap me that red head for a pound of bacon?".... "Naw, but I'll loan you the blonde for a pack of chiclets."

Now you have established a travel route, security, and a barter system.....
 

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...What else can be done out in the sticks to protect potential targets from attack?
On a spread like this I'd certainly put coils of razor wire close around the house with tin can alarms on it to alert us if anybody tries to cut through it at night.
A couple of dogs in kennels would also raise the alarm.
It might be a waste of time and effort to put wire all around the land far away from the house because they'd cut through it undetected in the dead of night, what do forum members think?

 

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OP in the upper right farm house building with 360 degree vision line unless vision is obscured by other farm buildings. Sniper liars in all building . Spike belt and barricade at incoming 4 way road junction. Caltrop and punji stick nasties in hedge rows of incoming road before the barricade just in case bad actors are seeking cover after introduction turn nasty. Second barricade (movable) between lower left farm house, with slit trench or barricade between house and top right barn. Razor wire along creek to pass the bridge with caltrop field 10 meters deep in front of razor wire.

Godspeed.
 

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On a spread like this I'd certainly put coils of razor wire close around the house with tin can alarms on it to alert us if anybody tries to cut through it at night.
A couple of dogs in kennels would also raise the alarm.
It might be a waste of time and effort to put wire all around the land far away from the house because they'd cut through it undetected in the dead of night, what do forum members think?

In my other thread topic, "How does one prepare for this as a defender?", I state the following:
If it's out of sight, it isn't really yours. A barn 15 acres away is called a tinder box waiting for a match
If the enemy can get to your outbuildings, consider them indefensible. You can't risk running to save the chicken coup if it means leaving your family back in the house, potentially unprotected.
Basically, you can't hope to defend what you can't see or what you would have to move to. Ground given up will not easily be taken back.
Prevent ingress for as long as possible, and have a fall-back plan. But once you fall back, you likely won't get to advance until the fight is over.
If you plan to keep and protect all of those outer fields and buildings, you need active defense over each one. If you stay in the central house, and decide to respond to some alarm on the outskirts, you're leaving a direction undefended.
Getting you out of your fortification should be the hardest thing the enemy has ever tried to do. Don't make it easy by leaving to investigate an unknown.
 

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...Basically, you can't hope to defend what you can't see or what you would have to move to...
Getting you out of your fortification should be the hardest thing the enemy has ever tried to do. Don't make it easy by leaving to investigate an unknown.
1- yes, as the military doctrine says- "An obstacle not covered by fire is not an obstacle"..:)

2- and yeah, leaving a good position to go wandering around looking for the enemy may be fine for hollywood (eg 'Alien') but not for most real-life survival situations.
 

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Rural areas have many advantages because most who come from the city are not woods savvy and end up getting themselves hurt. I for one prefer aversion/diversion to conflict. Meaning I want to divert folks away by strategically making certain roads or trails in accessible by vehicle and/or ensuring that they know they are in mortal danger if they proceed.

Set up either a check point with a means to isolate yourself from the vehicles (i.e. don't let them drive up to you). let them state their business and then escort them along the approved path to which ever point of exit they need to go (without giving them a view of what you have like buildings/stores/farms).

Freedom to travel is something we should allow....restrictions on travel en-masse through your area is warranted. Simply telling someone to turn around and go back, without helping them get to where they want to go could be devastating to the traveler. Enough so that they would resort to violence. So avoid pushing your average person to that point.

on your property, put some time into walking, riding etc in ways that skirt the outside of your property. (example coming from the south of your land, make a trail that leads around and out to the east or west and then comes out north of your land. Use camouflaged switch backs off of the trails to make your way to your property. Then you can place any observation posts on the inside of those trails and they can track people moving through the area.

Use early warning on the inside of those trails to detect folks cutting off the trails towards your home. put signs on the trails that warn of risks of getting off of the trails or stopping movement. You could even run a communications line out you can talk to them. (i.e. OP sees them. activates a land line phone out along the trail. Talks to them. You find out who they are and what they want or have to barter. Then at least you have established what you're dealing with. OP can verify by spot checking visually.) "Hey...what are you guys doing?"..."we're passin through to such and such and we got women and kids....". "You wanna swap me that red head for a pound of bacon?".... "Naw, but I'll loan you the blonde for a pack of chiclets."

Now you have established a travel route, security, and a barter system.....
stevekozak pre-shtf to-do list:

1.Run a comm line to edge of property
2. Stock up on chicklets
 

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On a spread like this I'd certainly put coils of razor wire close around the house with tin can alarms on it to alert us if anybody tries to cut through it at night.
A couple of dogs in kennels would also raise the alarm.
It might be a waste of time and effort to put wire all around the land far away from the house because they'd cut through it undetected in the dead of night, what do forum members think?

We had razor concertina wire around the perimeter of our base camp, three coils deep and three coils high. We put empty cans with a few pebbles in them to rattle if anyone was attempting to come thru the wire.
NVA sappers did on occasion anyway.

Once, HQ had some enemy defectors come and demonstrate how they did it, in daylight so we could see.
They worked together and went under the wire in less time than it took me to type this sentence. And they were smooth enough the cans never rattled.

Moral of the story - beware of motivated guys who know what they're doing. Not everyone will act according to your plan.
 
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