Tactical 12 gauge shotguns for home defense
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I was looking at an Akdal 1919 as something that might be nice to have laying around, the price is a bit high. The deal breaker is, for the 700 plus I'd spend on the Akdal, I could pick up a couple of brand new Mossberg 500/590's and be every bit as happy. Yet having a shotgun that looks like an AR, might be kind of fun.
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The thread started out as "Tactical 12 Ga shotguns for home defense" and you don't recommend it due to it's limited range. You didn't mention if this was during a SHTF event, so I'll assume it is not. While I agree that a slug has plenty of range, what range are you assuming? Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but IMHO to me home defense is inside the home within 10 yards, probably less. If it's outside the house I will agree that a rifle would probably be more efficient. That stated, if I'm in bed at night, I don't plan on trying to move thru the house looking for that strange noise. I'll be sitting behind the best cover in the bedroom I have and wait for the intruder to come to me. I feel this gives me the advantage of surprise. As seen on TV, it appears that rifle or handgun bullets have a tendency to leave the building and could do damage on the outside. I'd hate to think one of my bullets injured or killed a neighbor outside my house. As seen on TV, shotgun pellets (that miss) seem to penetrate less standard construction house walls. In all honesty, I have not verified what I've seen on these TV shows, but common sense makes it believable.
As far as a 12 Ga shotgun, my wife has a hard time with a 12 Ga. so I went with something a tad smaller for her. For sake of commonality of ammo I don't have a 12 Ga. I wish I could have done the same for pistol ammo but I really, really like the .45 ACP and with all the reloading equip and supplies I wasn't about to drop everything because wife couldn't handle the .45. Sorry, went off on a tangent.
As far as a 12 Ga shotgun, my wife has a hard time with a 12 Ga. so I went with something a tad smaller for her. For sake of commonality of ammo I don't have a 12 Ga. I wish I could have done the same for pistol ammo but I really, really like the .45 ACP and with all the reloading equip and supplies I wasn't about to drop everything because wife couldn't handle the .45. Sorry, went off on a tangent.
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Mossberg 500 tactical with #4 buck along side the bed (well with about 5 handguns near as well) Mine is like this one but not exactly
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ok..yall have out blabbed me on this one. Just would like to say for home defense low velocity dove loads are real nice. If the bad guys are close enough to cause issues..dove loads can kill them handily. They also dont tend to poke holes in exterior walls or kill the next door neighbors. Mighty handy tool when doing building searches in metal buildings when looking for burglary boogers. I mean who wants a metal building with holes in it? lol Yall are wild and crazy peeples.
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I believe that if you ask around, you would find that not everyone has 300 yard clear field of fire around their home. So, your AR guru may be reminded of this as he sits back beyond 'touching' range looking at the backside of a couple dozen trees. He can then either get close enough to render his superior range a moot point or he can go find someone else to harrass.
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Two very affordable, reliable and effective shot guns for HD that will not take food off the table.
Mossberg Model 88 also called the Maverick
Savage model 350
Both 200-230 depending when you buy. Both right at 38 inches over all. Savage ghost ring sights are outstanding for HD Savage is also a bottom eject.
With a little time out back almost anyone can learn to hit a target with a 12ga fired from the waist or just about anywhere else.
Of course when it comes to HD anything beats 911.
Mossberg Model 88 also called the Maverick
Savage model 350
Both 200-230 depending when you buy. Both right at 38 inches over all. Savage ghost ring sights are outstanding for HD Savage is also a bottom eject.
With a little time out back almost anyone can learn to hit a target with a 12ga fired from the waist or just about anywhere else.
Of course when it comes to HD anything beats 911.
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I'm wondering how you get 8 rounds into a "plain jane" 5 + 1 Mossberg 500?
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ok, don't mean to sound like I'm trolling, my question is 100% sincere....Why is a shotgun a good close range weapon?
I've used a full choke shotgun with a number 7 target load on 45 gallon drums. At 25 feet, they punch a 2 inch hole into the drum. If you start shooting something like that from the hip, you are going to miss everything, and eventually someone is going to shoot you dead.
I agree that a defender style shotgun with an open choke would have a much wider pattern at 25 feet, but isn't this important to add to a generalized claim that promotes the shotgun for close range?
In my opinion, the typical remington 870 pump is not a good close quarters weapon, and a poor close range weapon unless you chop the barrel down which makes the mere possession of the shotgun ( in Canada) an indictable offense.
Additionally, if I have to hold a firearm to my shoulder OR if I have the time and room to hold a firearm to my shoulder, I really appreciate the advantage of a large clip and many rounds. Large clip and many rounds aren't that practical with a shotgun that will push or kick like an SOB every time you pull the trigger.
When the world went from lead shot to steel shot, I helped my dad fire off about 300 rounds of magnum loaded duck and geese loads( into clay pigeons). That kind of shooting will leave a bruise after the first half hour. It is not for the timid. the more I shot the more I pulled the shotgun into me, and I was the only one that didn't walk away with bruises that day. My point is you have to be kidding me if you think 00 shot or slugs are a serious load, and some of the target shots won't have penetration. I'd rather have a .22lr or a .223 with high capacity magazines.
Now some of you guys have a ton of experience on this matter, and I don't have any.....so I rest my case, and brace myself for a bruising
I've used a full choke shotgun with a number 7 target load on 45 gallon drums. At 25 feet, they punch a 2 inch hole into the drum. If you start shooting something like that from the hip, you are going to miss everything, and eventually someone is going to shoot you dead.
I agree that a defender style shotgun with an open choke would have a much wider pattern at 25 feet, but isn't this important to add to a generalized claim that promotes the shotgun for close range?
In my opinion, the typical remington 870 pump is not a good close quarters weapon, and a poor close range weapon unless you chop the barrel down which makes the mere possession of the shotgun ( in Canada) an indictable offense.
Additionally, if I have to hold a firearm to my shoulder OR if I have the time and room to hold a firearm to my shoulder, I really appreciate the advantage of a large clip and many rounds. Large clip and many rounds aren't that practical with a shotgun that will push or kick like an SOB every time you pull the trigger.
When the world went from lead shot to steel shot, I helped my dad fire off about 300 rounds of magnum loaded duck and geese loads( into clay pigeons). That kind of shooting will leave a bruise after the first half hour. It is not for the timid. the more I shot the more I pulled the shotgun into me, and I was the only one that didn't walk away with bruises that day. My point is you have to be kidding me if you think 00 shot or slugs are a serious load, and some of the target shots won't have penetration. I'd rather have a .22lr or a .223 with high capacity magazines.
Now some of you guys have a ton of experience on this matter, and I don't have any.....so I rest my case, and brace myself for a bruising
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High power 000 buck rounds have made good kills at 75 yards. A shot gun held tightly against the body fired from the hip area can hit any man at ranges you will find in your home. You must however practice it before you need it.ok, don't mean to sound like I'm trolling, my question is 100% sincere....Why is a shotgun a good close range weapon?
I've used a full choke shotgun with a number 7 target load on 45 gallon drums. At 25 feet, they punch a 2 inch hole into the drum. If you start shooting something like that from the hip, you are going to miss everything, and eventually someone is going to shoot you dead.
I agree that a defender style shotgun with an open choke would have a much wider pattern at 25 feet, but isn't this important to add to a generalized claim that promotes the shotgun for close range?
In my opinion, the typical remington 870 pump is not a good close quarters weapon, and a poor close range weapon unless you chop the barrel down which makes the mere possession of the shotgun ( in Canada) an indictable offense.
Additionally, if I have to hold a firearm to my shoulder OR if I have the time and room to hold a firearm to my shoulder, I really appreciate the advantage of a large clip and many rounds. Large clip and many rounds aren't that practical with a shotgun that will push or kick like an SOB every time you pull the trigger.
When the world went from lead shot to steel shot, I helped my dad fire off about 300 rounds of magnum loaded duck and geese loads( into clay pigeons). That kind of shooting will leave a bruise after the first half hour. It is not for the timid. the more I shot the more I pulled the shotgun into me, and I was the only one that didn't walk away with bruises that day. My point is you have to be kidding me if you think 00 shot or slugs are a serious load, and some of the target shots won't have penetration. I'd rather have a .22lr or a .223 with high capacity magazines.
Now some of you guys have a ton of experience on this matter, and I don't have any.....so I rest my case, and brace myself for a bruising
Best thing to do is take your shot gun out set up different items at different ranges and shoot have a ball then look at results.
If you use an AR for home defense then you better understand Zero distance targeting with an AR. Please read this
Zero Distance for a Home-Defense AR-15 | Shooting Illustrated
A shot gun with good rounds will do much better for those that do not train well and often with hand guns or AR type weapons.
As it has been said before most homes the longest shot would be 15 to 20 feet Not a lot of time to acquire a good sight picture.
No right answer no wrong one really just options
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It was pounded into my head that "O" buck was best for bad guys. It seems to spit out 9 pellets of .32 caliber which is only one more than OO. Not sure why it was so popular. Mighta been low bid or something. We would normally load up the hypo car guns with a slug or two follwed by O till it filled up. Think the theory was by the time a slug came up the bad guy would be farther away and most likely in a vehicle under most hypothetical scenarios. #4's sound like a good option.
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I've punched an 8" hole through both sides of a steel 5 gal bucket with a 12 ga. at 10 yds. That's a realistic range for home defense and whoever was on the wrong side is not going to be worrying about how to find the goodies in my house.
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