I still see it that for defense against humans, if your good enough with a carbine or rifle and it's manueverable indoors and can hit at combat range outside, there's little need for a shotgun. You can get faster followups, higher capacity, longer range and more precision at distance, lower recoil, and carry more ammo. A shotgun hits harder up close that's no doubt, and it's a more pc one shot stop too at close range, but after that it looses appeal to me. I liked my last one, an 11-87, but really just didn't need it much when it came down to it. Like all my shotguns, I like a stock and even with 18 inch barrels there still pretty long. At home first and foremost I grab a pistol. It's the most maneuverable and concealable which I need at times to find out what the problem is before putting holes into things. If I feel the need to grab a long gun, there's a good reason and that reason would make me grab a carbine, not a shotgun.