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Aikido first then I like Krav Maga (The Israeli stuff). Spetznaz is fun to watch, but it is kind of self destructive. Looking at some of the techniques you could trash some joints just practicing.
 

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All western special operations takes from eastern martial arts a little. I completely agree Krav Maga is amazing! Aikido is obviously great I don't know a special operations group not using it in some form or law enforcement. :)
 

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If you let someone get that close you done screwed up. No the best self defense is a good gun and the ability to use it.
 

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All western special operations takes from eastern martial arts a little. I completely agree Krav Maga is amazing! Aikido is obviously great I don't know a special operations group not using it in some form or law enforcement. :)
What? The Army uses BJJ exclusively, the Rangers even fly out the Gracies every so often to beat up on them...no unit I have ever been in SOF or CF has ever used anything other than that.

If you get down to your pistol you're screwed anyway, much more so with a knife/hands.

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What? The Army uses BJJ exclusively, the Rangers even fly out the Gracies every so often to beat up on them...no unit I have ever been in SOF or CF has ever used anything other than that.

If you get down to your pistol you're screwed anyway, much more so with a knife/hands.

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I've been around Russian special operations in Columbia. Bjj is from eastern martial arts and understood by all elite fighting forces. Yet I'm sure army rangers don't have the ability that spetsnaz has in hand to hand fighting except maybe on a US "reality" tv show. I'd trust a spetsnaz guy over an army ranger in a fight. Sorry bro they're better
 

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If you let someone get that close you done screwed up. No the best self defense is a good gun and the ability to use it.
It's very common to get close when fighting even today. Except in a desert in many cases you'll have to kill with your knife or hands. A knife is good for stealth at night.
 

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What? The Army uses BJJ exclusively, the Rangers even fly out the Gracies every so often to beat up on them...no unit I have ever been in SOF or CF has ever used anything other than that.

If you get down to your pistol you're screwed anyway, much more so with a knife/hands.

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Well I spent a few years in the Army. 11B. We taught to use the weapon with the longest stand off range when ever possible . Second use a weapon that did not give away your location when possible. Then crew serve then rifle then grenade( hand gun was not really consider much) . If you had to go man to man three of you jump on his ass and kick the shit out of him, with out delay. We really did not buy into that ninja stuff. Take them to the ground wire ties in place. 11b we really tried to keep things simple. I retired as 11Z5M got my own ass kicked a few times, few of them wished they had finished it when I came back.
 

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Well I spent a few years in the Army. 11B. We taught to use the weapon with the longest stand off range when ever possible . Second use a weapon that did not give away your location when possible. Then crew serve then rifle then grenade( hand gun was not really consider much) . If you had to go man to man three of you jump on his ass and kick the shit out of him, with out delay. We really did not buy into that ninja stuff. Take them to the ground wire ties in place. 11b we really tried to keep things simple. I retired as 11Z5M got my own ass kicked a few times, few of them wished they had finished it when I came back.
Everyone who fights gets beat as long as you're not dead hopefully you learned something. If you fight a more equally matched opponent you WILL kill people close up in combat especially in a jungle environment.
 

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Well I spent a few years in the Army. 11B. We taught to use the weapon with the longest stand off range when ever possible . Second use a weapon that did not give away your location when possible. Then crew serve then rifle then grenade( hand gun was not really consider much) . If you had to go man to man three of you jump on his ass and kick the shit out of him, with out delay. We really did not buy into that ninja stuff. Take them to the ground wire ties in place. 11b we really tried to keep things simple. I retired as 11Z5M got my own ass kicked a few times, few of them wished they had finished it when I came back.
The problem is @Smitty901, you weren't a kick ass ninja. Don't forget, someone had to teach Steven Seagal his stuff. I think we found his teacher.
 

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Well I spent a few years in the Army. 11B. We taught to use the weapon with the longest stand off range when ever possible . Second use a weapon that did not give away your location when possible. Then crew serve then rifle then grenade( hand gun was not really consider much) . If you had to go man to man three of you jump on his ass and kick the shit out of him, with out delay. We really did not buy into that ninja stuff. Take them to the ground wire ties in place. 11b we really tried to keep things simple. I retired as 11Z5M got my own ass kicked a few times, few of them wished they had finished it when I came back.
Lmao, aint that the truth - 3:1 odds at all time, honestly our combatives training was more about hazing than anything else.

It was always gun trucks then rifles then grenades/specialty weapons then pistols then youre f'in screwed call in danger close

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I lean more to 45 acp for close hand to hand combat.
Me to but if I run out of ammo I will be no less deadly with a kbar or my hands. You can kill three guys in 10 seconds if you're good with a knife without making a sound. Allot more quiet than even a silencer on a .45
 

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The problem is @Smitty901, you weren't a kick ass ninja. Don't forget, someone had to teach Steven Seagal his stuff. I think we found his teacher.
I forced myself to watch aome Seagal movies i never saw em....I wanted to drink bleach after 10 minutes

"This is white ghost, gettin taced up on birthday m'fers over and out"

....Wut?

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I forced myself to watch aome Seagal movies i never saw em....I wanted to drink bleach after 10 minutes

"This is white ghost, gettin taced up on birthday m'fers over and out"

....Wut?

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You do know the gov. thrashes Seagal namely because they don't want people to know aikido is the sh*t. Just like the push 22 lr likes it's awesome it's bs bro
 

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I forced myself to watch aome Seagal movies i never saw em....I wanted to drink bleach after 10 minutes

"This is white ghost, gettin taced up on birthday m'fers over and out"

....Wut?

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I actually was the only one in the theater who cheered when he fell out of the plane. I think the movie was Executive Decision.
 

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You do know the gov. thrashes Seagal namely because they don't want people to know aikido is the sh*t. Just like the push 22 lr likes it's awesome it's bs bro
Damn, I thought I didn't like Seagal because he was a douche bag. So the gov has been using mind control for quite a long time I take it. I never realized...........
 

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When them dinks come thru the wire just lower the barrels of the 105's and give them some bee hive rounds.
 
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