[Back Pack Hack]

.....The knowledge we have is only valuable to us if we have the means and resources.

And some means and resources will survive. Discounting ONE example is not representative of all of them. I'll wager that we'll still be using modern firearms and not resorting to muskets and bow & arrows. Yes, sourcing gun parts and ammo will be more difficult, but there will be those who have the knowledge to make it happen. Gunsmithing and reloading aren't 21st-century inventions.

We know about modern communications. Crafting a simple telephone is stupid-easy. Two phones, a resistor and a 9 volt battery and you've got an intercom. I agree it ain't the internet but such a simple system has a huge number of uses.

I could go on, but I'm sure you're already typing a scathing retort, so carry on.

 

[NMPRN]

...is so overlooked in most of today's spoiled culture

What we call SHTF today was just the way of life for a lot of folks until after WW-II. My wife, who's still in her 50's, didn't have indoor plumbing until she was in high school. In 1970's rural Arkansas, she still had to face wild animals and freezing temperatures just to go pee by the light of a kerosene lantern because they didn't have power going out to the outhouse 🥶

 

[Spenser]

And some means and resources will survive. Discounting ONE example is not representative of all of them. I'll wager that we'll still be using modern firearms and not resorting to muskets and bow & arrows. Yes, sourcing gun parts and ammo will be more difficult, but there will be those who have the knowledge to make it happen. Gunsmithing and reloading aren't 21st-century inventions.

We know about modern communications. Crafting a simple telephone is stupid-easy. Two phones, a resistor and a 9 volt battery and you've got an intercom. I agree it ain't the internet but such a simple system has a huge number of uses.

I could go on, but I'm sure you're already typing a scathing retort, so carry on.

Was raised with bows n arrows, though prefer crossbows, even over a rifle, but that is only my personal preference, and not for any advantage/disadvantage sake.

I agree, that most likely in that scenario that we would still have firearms, least for a stint. Being a former lathe worker, I can say that making parts would not be an issue, nor the ammo, as long as one picks up the casing, only pain would be the making the powder, and making the primer, the last one being why I said for a stint. I have seen ways to make a primer using strike anywhere matches, but eventually making a primer will be problematic (think it takes like 8-10 matches to make 1 primer for 1 casing/bullet.)

I have made telephones from scratch, along with radios and other electronic devices; you didn't make a telephone, but an intercom. On the other hand, making a telegraph can be easily done, just my morse code is beyond rusty.

I think walkie talkies would be more useful for communication to family and friends, HAM for those further away.

Interesting concept though, and a major life change from most of our current lives.

 

[NMPRN]

Another wildcard in the looming collapse is the homeless population. We've seen that even the weak, spoiled Gen X and Millennials can adapt to eating out of trashcans and sleeping in urine soaked cardboard boxes while shooting deadly toxins into their bodies.

If there's a huge 90% event, we're going to be dealing with shituations we never imagined. (spelling error intended)

 

[Spenser]

In 1970's rural Arkansas, she still had to face wild animals and freezing temperatures just to go pee by the light of a kerosene lantern because they didn't have power going out to the outhouse

That was our life in the Catskill Mountains, no electricity, nor running water, and a frigidly cold outhouse during the winter- time. We had kerosene lamps for the cabin, but for going to the outhouse we used a portable candle holder with glass wind protector. I would never risk carrying a lamp there going up that mountain to get to an outhouse.

Damn, I just gave myself a shiver reminiscing about that one brutally cold night in December during that snow storm traveling to the johnny.

 

[Spenser]

If there's a huge 90% event, we're going to be dealing with shituations we never imagined. (spelling error intended)

agreed, NYC for example at 10% is still close to 1 million people venturing in all directions.

I think though most of us are missing the bigger picture in this scenario.
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[inceptor]

The 90% prediction was given to Congress in a report they commissioned by The EMP Task Force, headed by Dr. Peter Pry.

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Now, Dr. Pry may not be as informed as some of you, but I think he did a pretty damn good job presenting facts and predictions.

 

[Spenser]

Now, Dr. Pry may not be as informed as some of you, but I think he did a pretty damn good job presenting facts and predictions.

I am aware of the belated Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, and the many boards, programs, books, and documentaries based on his assessments. The problem that I have is that his doctorates are in History and 2nd is in International Relations. It is kind of like that movie "The Fly" a guy using the "Black Box" method using other people's genius innovations to create his own work.

He is not a Nuclear Physicist, Biochemist, Mathematician, or a Structural Engineer, along with a few other course degrees to properly assess and formulate the report he gave to congress.

With his security clearances, I am sure that he is far more informed than someone like me, although I seriously doubt his IQ is anywhere close to mine, point being, he is not the guy that I would trust to "guess" how many people would survive his scenarios.

I had an uncle that worked on a classified gov project ( actually I have several uncles that have, but chose this one for this story). He couldn't tell us Jack [email protected]#$ about what he was working on in Los Alamos, and his background was in adv mathematics & engineering, but what he could tell us about is his first day at the base with the head scientist working on the project.

The head scientist came in a couple of weeks prior to discuss what the team members job's entail, and about the project everyone was going to be working on. My uncle said that the scientist spoke for 4 hours that day, and it took my uncle the next two weeks to fully understand the project and his role in it, so in short 2 weeks to unravel what the hell that brilliant scientist's four hour lecture was about (ok those of us that know about Los Alamos knows this guy was a Physicist )

Dr Peter Pry was NOT that guy, and not even my uncle either...

 

[Chipper]

What we call SHTF today was just the way of life for a lot of folks until after WW-II. My wife, who's still in her 50's, didn't have indoor plumbing until she was in high school. In 1970's rural Arkansas, she still had to face wild animals and freezing temperatures just to go pee by the light of a kerosene lantern because they didn't have power going out to the outhouse 🥶

Yep that's how I grew up. Well pump outside also. Now this is rural WI so temps are well below zero a large part of the winter. Kind of glad that I did. Shooting and canning deer meat and vegetables etc for the root cellar in basement. Wood stove for heat, NO furnace. Made for some mighty cold mornings.

Why I laugh at most people that plan on BO of the big city. They have no idea what's involved with surviving a cold winter with out electricity, let alone food. First winter I bet 90% will be a low number. I can drive around and see virtually nobody is prepared. Easy to see who has a wood pile stocked up and have a chance.

 

[AndyFrank]

Yep that's how I grew up. Well pump outside also. Now this is rural WI so temps are well below zero a large part of the winter. Kind of glad that I did. Shooting and canning deer meat and vegetables etc for the root cellar in basement. Wood stove for heat, NO furnace. Made for some mighty cold mornings.

Why I laugh at most people that plan on BO of the big city. They have no idea what's involved with surviving a cold winter with out electricity, let alone food. First winter I bet 90% will be a low number. I can drive around and see virtually nobody is prepared. Easy to see who has a wood pile stocked up and have a chance.

They THINK they are going to roll in like vacation saying "Got some food? Where's the pu**y? Go get me a bag of weed!"
And there aint no food and 10,000 of em will sht the place into typhus fast, as they line the highways playing "tailgate party" and wild wildlife slaughter.
Thats why we hope most of em just croak off and never get here and go fast even if they do.

 

[duncankunz]

Interesting that you and your wife are the first to have power on the grid from birth. I never really thought about it but my mother had no electricity or running water as a child. When I was younger and would go to visit my grandparents, they had power but still no running water. I do agree, we as humans are strong and will adapt. It seems the "masses" are
blind and all going about life as if all is normal. Preparation in all areas of life, retirement, emergency planning, and
so on is so overlooked in most of today's spoiled culture

That's probably why the public calls us "preppers", n'est-ce pas?