[OffGridPanama]

It's a good question because we believe the day is coming when basics like eggs, milk,
beef and other foods as well as electricity and water are going to be reserved for the elites or
preppers.

Do not discount the value of food, water, and power. Work hard to get set up, and be
as self-sufficient as possible. You will not regret it and will have GREAT VALUE.

 

[OffGridPanama]

I am trying more items for indoor vegetable garden (our growing Season in Dakotas outside is limited) and am figuring out which hybrid approach works best re: hydro, soil, soil alternatives.. (Heirloom seeds, hybrid Approach)
These are tomato plants yesterday:
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I've had success with lettuce, herbs and just started carrots germinating. Nice to get closer to having year-round homegrown vegetables.

Great input. We live in a warm climate 12 months of the year but have a rainy season. We have different issues but it looks like you are doing great with the options you have

You can't put a price on countless human life's, and the sanctity of the republic

Absolutely correct. I meant what is the value to you and your family. People will likely be scraping
for the basics. We are true believers in going off-grid and being ready with self-preparation. I hope
we are wrong but the future looks a bit un-hinged

 

[OffGridPanama]

If all goes bad the remaining 10% that survives will be living in the 1600's. If they are lucky. Is that life worth living??

Well, it would be difficult and often trying, but if you have food, power, electricity, and your family. It may not be too
bad. At the end of the day, on our end, we are working hard to avoid suffering and trying to maintain as normal
a life as possible.

 

[OffGridPanama]

If only 10% are left? We'll be walking around in big hats and elegant clothes talking about how important our children are and issues with the trade routes?
You skin it back that far and people become higher value again and too happy to be sexualized or dopefied. It'd be a paradise.

A unique response to it but many truths

 

[OffGridPanama]

You actually can, in fact in fine and that's the greater obstacle, because no govt would pay it even if they could. Every life has a labor and supply cost attached to it and you have to have it for every life you intend to keep or you can't keep em.
Since the republic and people are what is under attack, there will be no way people can carry the load and many people will feel it is not worth the trouble, like people finding out they won't have a river of dope (like the homeless seem to all be on? Hows that happen?) Or that now, you have to be able to fight, run and hide to be homeless because the 'ol mental asylum bus is trolling around in the night and the savages are preying and sporting all day. (Yes? Sporting. Like males do when there is nothing else much to do)
The socialists are being denied pain pills and choosing suicide....but that was always going to be what happened to them. Like democrats.
So there will be a high mortality that is unavoidable, that people won't be able to do anything about, except throw their selves into the frenzy trying to keep more than they can.
The sheer numbers of people are mind boggling. There are so many that the number of them that will make it to the rural areas is a disaster.
I do not know the how or when but if a mass event happened, it would create a disaster of peoples.
I have a general set of contingencies that are based on keeping more than myself and the kids, but those are organic structures that require a foundation to begin with or you end up with a chaos of savages. If the weather is right and the money is there, sure I will help by plantation cropping. But I am prepared for the idea that we will be blessed to keep the animals and kids.

Wow, It is scary to think of the chaos that is pending. Survival is likely to not only survive with the necessities like food, water, and power but the mere need to protect yourself from the desperate and needy that did not prepare.

 

[OffGridPanama]

It's what I heard on a show about the power grind going away. Foxnews if I remember. 90% death rate and be living back in the 1600's. Just repeating the news.

It's going to be chaotic no matter what for sure

 

[OffGridPanama]

Sic transit gloria mundi...

The 90% number probably comes from Dr. Peter Pry's testimony at a 2015 congressional hearing on the EMP threat.

Living in the 1600's sounds about right if we loose 90% of our medical infrastructure. By the 1700's the U.S. was getting pretty civilized, we even had medical schools starting to pop up. In the 1600's most people were still on their own if they got sick or injured

Having electricity in the home is a very new thing. 80 years ago large parts of the U.S. still didn't have power. My wife and I are both the first generation in our families to have grid power from birth.

I think humans will thrive after a "90% event". Life will be hard, life expectancy will go down, but humans are resilient and adaptive.

Interesting that you and your wife are the first to have power on the grid from birth. I never really thought about it but my mother had no electricity or running water as a child. When I was younger and would go to visit my grandparents, they had power but still no running water. I do agree, we as humans are strong and will adapt. It seems the "masses" are
blind and all going about life as if all is normal. Preparation in all areas of life, retirement, emergency planning, and
so on is so overlooked in most of today's spoiled culture