[Loed]

What kind of a statement is this?

Have you bothered reading the thread, we were talking threats, not probable or maybe threats.

You must die???? Where the hell do you live? Take a lot more than one death to get capital murder here.

You don't know much about US criminal law either do you?

What is your suggestion, shoot marshmallows to stop someone?

I will do what I have had to do before and worry about the legal outcome later.

If it is a jihad assault, nobody is waking away, unlike impotent euroturds excusing them.

I keep reading about all that trash landing on the boot,

and the locals bending over pants down to accommodate them.

If you can't recognize an actual life threat and just shoot at random, it is called "murder" not "self defense". More clear?

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[Loed]

There's plenty of non lethal means to overcome an aggressor, even me, 55 kg... can overwhelm a big guy, as I have got specific training. In the need you should use a gun, of course, but before using it, you must be mentally trained and prepared, not thinking in a "vigilante" manner, and finally you must know how and when to use.

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[Denton]

I dont shoot to kill, I shoot to stop the threat (if they die because I shoot them in the chest to stop them from killing me... oh well)

The best post of the thread.

You are shooting to stop the threat. Killing is not even on your mind. You are in fear for your life with no time for philosophical thoughts.

Why is this important? You don't want to survive incident only to lose many years to jail or a lot of your money to the attacker's next of kin.

 

[SOCOM42]

There's plenty of non lethal means to overcome an aggressor, even me, 55 kg... can overwhelm a big guy, as I have got specific training. In the need you should use a gun, of course, but before using it, you must be mentally trained and prepared, not thinking in a "vigilante" manner, and finally you must know how and when to use.
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OK, so we all need to got to special mental courses to prepare to shoot someone, right?

You speak of "vigilante" action, do you even know what the word means?

I know you are not an American or living here, otherwise you would know of the second amendment and what it means.

We have a RIGHT to self defense,

safety courses are required in some states as a newcomer to firearms, but no mental training.

Let me make this simple for you as an outsider, capire?

I carry a handgun, most of the time two, if I am attack I will use them.

I have carried one for 55 years, in that time span, I have had to use them twice as a civilian, I am still here alive.

I also carried a handgun as a poliziesco for 20 years. Not even including military service training.

If you came at me and tried to attack in any manner, you would be immediately shot.

Your opinion holds no water here in this country in reference to our laws and rights, but it is your opinion.

 

[SOCOM42]

If you can't recognize an actual life threat and just shoot at random, it is called "murder" not "self defense". More clear?

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OK, mr expert,

how do you determine if a guy or guys plan on just breaking your arms and legs and removing your your eyes and wallet?

Here a threat is a threat, if you think your life is in danger you take whatever action you need to to stop the threat.

Shoot at random???? where the hell are you coming from?

I think you need to re-asses the meaning of self defense and the point of the posters here, bar yous.

 

[warrior4]

If you can't recognize an actual life threat and just shoot at random, it is called "murder" not "self defense". More clear?

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Those of us who do carry are probably among those who best know what an "actual life threat" is and what one is not. Carrying a firearm is huge responsibility and if one isn't willing to shoulder that responsibility they shouldn't carry. To those of us who do shoulder that responsibility I feel that it's incumbent that we're constantly practicing. Situational awareness is huge when it comes to carrying. I know I've become a lot more aware of my surroundings when I carry my pistol mainly because I don't want to have to use it. I would much rather avoid a threat than even consider going for my gun. However there are times when the threat can't be avoided and the fight is on. That fight is for life and death and unlike what you see in movies it's probably over in seconds.

During that time the body's flight or fight systems turn on and the brain goes into stupid mode. For the untrained fine motor control and a lot of the higher critical thinking areas of the brain get turned off. Many people just freeze up or panic altogether. I've seen it countless times. If someone has trained themselves to the point of muscle memory then they might stand a chance in those potentially fatal seconds.

It's because in the real world the fight is on and then off in just a few seconds that we put such an emphasis on it. If you hesitate you or someone you care about could die. Mental rehearsal, practice drawing from your holster, and of course live fire are crucial. That way we're not, "just shooting at random." Of course we also realize that our choices have consequences. One's we are responsible for. Especially in today's climate of instant news via social media. It's quite probable that regardless of what happens, if anyone uses a gun in a self defense situation they're likely to be judged quickly and harshly in the court of public opinion long before they ever seen a judge or jury.

All that has to be accounted for and thought of before one decided to carry a firearm. So again if someone isn't ready to accept that responsibility they shouldn't carry until they are. I assure you the vast majority of responsible gun owners have thought through situations like this before as well. To assume, like you have, that we haven't shows you don't understand what's being discussed.

 

[Gator Monroe]

I will never engage in mutual combat ( take an ass beating rather than kill an attacker ) if someone closes ground on me and plans to batter me about the head I will do a mag dump seek cover for a top off and if threat is no longer a factor call 911 from another safer location .

 

[redhawk]

Great clip! The instructor did an excellent job of explaining his answers!

 

[yooper_sjd]

Well for you peacelovers, melee enthusiasts, I have special person on person training, Let the doves loose and sing Kum by ya nerds. As a Previous Military small arms instructor (18 yrs) trained to shoot CENTER OF MASS, not to kill and not to wound, but to shoot center of mass to STOP THE THREAT. (was also told to use this line if involved in civilian court as well) Was the way I was trained, and trained other people. SHOOT CENTER OF MASS TO STOP THE THREAT. Watch part of the clip, and that instructor hit the nail on the head.