Do any of you guys train in the arts have you been able to use your traditional systems to good effect :?:
40 plus years. Fought both as an amateur and a pro. But judging from the discussion so far I'll keep my mouth shut so as to keep from offending anyone present here.Do any of you guys train in the arts have you been able to use your traditional systems to good effect :?:
And now ya ****ed up but good , one of the systems I hold Dan rank in is Kyokushinkai. And I know of NOBODY within the context of the sytem who CANNOT spell Mas Oyama's name correctly. You don't.that's right. After you've had a lot of one on one instruction and sparring practice, THEN you can learn things from books and videos, if there truly is anything to be learned from such sources. I learned a bit from Oyama's THIS IS KARATE. Google for Masutatzo Oyama, and look at the pics of him chopping the neck off of beer bottles, leaving the rest of the bottle sitting on the table. Then TELL me that you think that one strike or kick, by a truly trained man, won't stop the average joe in his tracks.
See the above folks? DANGEROUS ADVICE. Anyone who underestimates the " untrained man" is a fool , those who think a pissant backknuckle will stop a tough man are larger fools.yes, several times, one kick was all that was needed. Another time, a single backfist strike broke the guy's nose and ended the fight. None have lasted more than 1-2 seconds. Real ability means that the untrained man has no chance against you at all.
Situational awareness is the best defense in my opinion for every one. Simply look for and expect trouble regardless and move away to avoid it if at all possible.I have some Japanese Jiujitsu. I am no expert but I am confident.
In my opinion, people should focus on escaping bad positions and defending from chokes as much as if not more than training "attacks".
My philosophy is: striking suddenly isn't all that important if you find yourself on your back with a bigger stronger guy on top of you beating your head in. you need to know how to defend. that is what will save your life. spinning back fists and flying knees are cool to watch but most likely won't be practical in a typical self defense situation. defense doesn't even have to be anything especially fancy. being able to "read" your opponent and scoot yourself round and put your heels on his hips to press him off you and make space or knowing to grab his jacket sleeves and control his arms and buy yourself some time to breathe and calculate a plan. even if you can body triangle around him and control his body you can get yourself into a position to assert yourself and make him regret attacking you.
Ideally, you will never BE on your back getting pummeled but we live in an imperfect world where there is always someone bigger and stronger or more ninja than you that can and will get the drop on you. especially if you just "get caught" and it goes to the ground, knowing defense and escape is important.
people that learn striking styles may not share my opinion or philosophy of it. I am just saying what I find to be true for myself and it may not hold true for someone else.
I train in Sanshinkai Karate and Sanshinkai Jujitsu. At the particular dojo I attend there is an Aikido class going on simultaneously and then continuing after we leave. So far I've never seen anyone throw an actual punch, kick, push, etc. All I've seen is a person allowing the other person to move them around and then "throw" them on the ground. I have no doubt the Sensei could probably handle himself but I feel the others are not adequately prepared for an actual attack.If any of you have an Aikido dojo anywhere close by drop in and have a look. No kicks, no punches, all hand to hand defensive countermeasures to attacks.
Your wording of "now I just carry a gun" gives the impression you believe a firearm is a substitute for some sort of hand-to-hand defensive ability because that is down right ludicrous. As the first thread I read on this forum I hope this isn't a common theme around here.I grew up in a tang soo do school, have to say some of the army hand to hand looks ok and so does krav magra but then again I have seen mere American amateur boxers hold their weight against several men and win. I have indeed had to use what I was taught several times on the streets when I was younger, now I just carry a gun but its definitely a good thing to be indoctrinated in