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Russia took out one of our drones flying near Ukraine in international air space.

I don't care if it's a drone or manned airplane. They took out a US asset on purpose. Flying a jet into a prop on a drone isn't an accident. It's an attack IMHO.

 

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Just another conflict we can't keep our noses out of, costing us more and more every day, our presidency and government are failing the citizens on too many levels.
 

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From the U.S. Air Force:
Two Russian Su-27 aircraft conducted an unsafe and unprofessional intercept with a U.S. Air Force intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance unmanned MQ-9 aircraft operating within international airspace over the Black Sea on March 14, 2023. Russian Su-27s dumped fuel upon and struck the propeller of the MQ-9, causing U.S. forces to have to bring the MQ-9 down in international waters. (U.S. Air Force video)
 

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3-8% of our budget too much to stop a genocidal war? I guess you would have wanted to stay out of WWII…
78 billion + in a conflict we're not gaining anything from, you say genocide as if you believe Russia is all they think they are which goes to show you don't understand the difference gas chambers and a war. Russia isn't going to stop and take the slap in the face, what would be a justifiable percentage for our tax dollars to not be involved?
 

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3-8% of our budget too much to stop a genocidal war? I guess you would have wanted to stay out of WWII…
If you have evidence of a mass extermination campaign happening in Ukraine, provide it.
Until then, hyperbolic mischaracterizations are insufficient to justify spending more money on a conflict we shouldn't be involved in.
For someone who constantly chides members of this board for holding delusions of grandeur and fantasy, you sure hold your own in that regard here.

Russia should not have invaded a sovereign country.
But we got out of the "world police" business over a decade ago.
 

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Russia should not have invaded a sovereign country.
But we got out of the "world police" business over a decade ago.
How do you figure we got out of the "world police" business over a decade ago? We we're the "world police" in southwest Asia until biden's botched withdrawal in 2021.

The US controls about 750 bases in at least 80 countries worldwide and has 173,000 troops deployed in 159 countries. If that's not a "world police force" then what is it?

Maybe it's just because I grew up during the cold war but I'm okay with destroying a substantial part of the russian military. And I'd much rather have my tax dollars going to destroy russian armor than waisting it on all the social program insanity that's destroying this country.
 

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Maybe it's just because I grew up during the cold war but I'm okay with destroying a substantial part of the russian military. And I'd much rather have my tax dollars going to destroy russian armor than waisting it on all the social program insanity that's destroying this country.
And if we had any legal obligation to go after Russia because they threatened NATO allies, I'd be right there with you. As it stands, we're desperately trying to stick our nose into a situation we shouldn't be. And I have a strong suspicion it's all to cover up Biden dealings with his son and various companies in Ukraine.
Don't get roped into the game of "fighting the ruskies" just to help cover up corruption.
 

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Don't get roped into the game of "fighting the ruskies" just to help cover up corruption.
That makes zero sense to me. If biden wants to cover up his corruption what better way than to let the russians kill all the witnesses and destroy all the evidence?

War in Europe is absolutely America's business, that's simple math. Americans stuck their head in the sand about Europe in 1915 and it cost us 116,000 American lives in 1917. America didn't want hundreds of their sons to die for Poland in 1939 and it ended up costing us 420,000 American lives In WW-II. 8 years after we let putin take Crimea, 200,000 people are dead, there's no end in sight and the US (and the west) are spending billions to try and keep this shit from turning into WW-III.

...and if this does turn into WW-III, I'd just as soon pay the Ukrainians to slog through the frozen mud and soften the russians up for us. And if they win I'd be happy to pay them to hang a right and start on china.

Just like the idea of socialism, the idea of appeasement or isolation has never worked before and there's no reason to think it'll work this time. If Neville Chamberlain and FDR hadn't been such pussies in 1938, WW-II might have fizzled out before it started.

...I'm perfectly content watching my tax dollar funded HIMARs destroy russian tanks.
 

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That makes zero sense to me. If biden wants to cover up his corruption what better way than to let the russians kill all the witnesses and destroy all the evidence?
Why would the Russians destroy any evidence?
They're not looking out for us. They'd love to uncover and blow the lid off a US corruption scheme in Ukraine, and appear vindicated on the world stage for revealing the truth and embarrassing the United States.
The only way for the Biden family, and others, to keep their dealings under wraps is to assist the country involved in the cover-up.
We're not assisting Ukraine to help Ukraine. We're throwing money at a cover-up operation.
I don't feel like footing that bill.

There are no altruistic motives from either side in this conflict. It is nothing like WW2. There is no reason to get sucked in to picking a side. It just plays into the hands of the puppet masters orchestrating the whole thing. They're hoping to make Russia out to be evil incarnate while making the penis piano player Zalensky out to be a choir boy. This is propaganda. There are no clean hands. Both sides are bad.
 

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Russia-takes-out-a-us-drone. and then screws it over without even taking it out for dinner and a movie.

This is just a Russian pissing contest, like slapping the butt of a bull. Same way they play chess, queen's opening to show a sense of overwhelming power.

My family left Mother Russia due to the Kremlin's BS. It is always about them 'flexing' muscles.
 

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If you have evidence of a mass extermination campaign happening in Ukraine, provide it.
Until then, hyperbolic mischaracterizations are insufficient to justify spending more money on a conflict we shouldn't be involved in.
For someone who constantly chides members of this board for holding delusions of grandeur and fantasy, you sure hold your own in that regard here.

Russia should not have invaded a sovereign country.
But we got out of the "world police" business over a decade ago.
Uhhhh…kidnapping children, forced adoptions. Massacres of civilians. Targeting hospitals, relief convoys, Red Cross convoys, execution of POWs, torture, rape, murder, theft, all on a grand scale. If you feel that is all justified and RUS is just conducting an SMO, you’re proving the total LACK of understanding of what’s going on. Your ‘Murica Bias is clear.

So we all just stand by and let UKE et al fall under a Despotic Ruler, then deal with all it brings. Never mind the impact it has on us as well as other countries.

Great. Shows me you’ve never been in harms way or understand what impacts destabilization have in world events. You ever serve in the Military?
 
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