[rickkyw1720pf]

Look for the government to try and put a stop to homeschooling. The justice department ( Eric Holder) already came out recently and said you have no constitutional right to homeschool.

Report: Homeschooling Growing Seven Times Faster than Public School Enrollment

 

[Ripon]

I'm kind of shocked this wasn't killed earlier. I mean seriously who wants kids not to be indoctrinated, and how dare they deprive a public employee union of their money.

I'm so glad my new teaching gig is 25 hours a week. I'm union exempt. Sweet!

 

[Dr. Prepper]

I'm surprised that so many people still choose to send their kids to government school. Government schools poison our youth with "bull pucky" all the way through K-12 and then our kids march off to a lib university. No wonder our country is in serious danger of going under.

 

[roy]

I was reading through my copy of the constitution of the United states and come across this, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Going back through the constituion if found this concerning education, schools, home schooling, public schools, etc., "_________________________". Nothin', nada, zip, zero. It appears to me that the federal government has no power to control education. Public education is the perview of the individual states and the people. Public education is taken care of where I live by the State of Texas.

That said, I have a question for the board. How many of you are products of public education? How many have actually been in a public school class room in the last ten years?

 

[Ripon]

I went K-12 in a public school, 4 years in a state university and now teach at a state junior college. The last time I looked the Feds' don't run any schools - they are all state run.

I was reading through my copy of the constitution of the United states and come across this, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Going back through the constituion if found this concerning education, schools, home schooling, public schools, etc., "_________________________". Nothin', nada, zip, zero. It appears to me that the federal government has no power to control education. Public education is the perview of the individual states and the people. Public education is taken care of where I live by the State of Texas.

That said, I have a question for the board. How many of you are products of public education? How many have actually been in a public school class room in the last ten years?

 

[roy]

So what does the Department of Education do? In Texas, and suspect it is similar for other states, about 12% of public school funding comes from the federal government. With it comes strings. Examples are the Special Ed requirements, and Title X.

I also went to public school, got a couple of degrees from public universities and taught in public schools at the elementary and secondary level as well as at the college level.

 

[PaulS]

I sat in on classes that my grandson was taking.... They taught team-work (instead of math) they taught empathy (instead of reading) and they taught conflict resolution instead of competition. There is no such thing as an individual and self defense is not allowed. If a child is struck by another student they are both disciplined regardless of any extenuating circumstanses.

It isn't school at all the way it was when I was in school. No one is taught to think except as the collective does and no one is challenged to do their best. My grandson was a "troublemaker" for being independent and wanting to do better. What a waste of resources. He is now home schooled and doing very well.

 

[Ripon]

The Dept of Education us $70 billion and 6000 plus people. Most of the money is distributed to the states with federal strings attached that enforce what liberals believe are constitutional rules. They don't, however, run schools or educate anyone. A right only of the states or local Goverments if granted them by the people and I think every state has granted their state govt that right.

If it were me I'd delete the Dept of education and hire three people.

1) would calculate the number of students in America and dived that by the $70 billion
2) would distribute it to the schools or home schooled parents equally
3) in true govt form would supervise and police those two.

 

[roy]

I sat in on classes that my grandson was taking.... They taught team-work (instead of math) they taught empathy (instead of reading) and they taught conflict resolution instead of competition. There is no such thing as an individual and self defense is not allowed. If a child is struck by another student they are both disciplined regardless of any extenuating circumstanses.

It isn't school at all the way it was when I was in school. No one is taught to think except as the collective does and no one is challenged to do their best. My grandson was a "troublemaker" for being independent and wanting to do better. What a waste of resources. He is now home schooled and doing very well.

Interesting. I taught math a reading in public schools. One of the hardest things for me to learn in public school was standing in line. What the public schools failed to teach me the army completed.

 

[Lucky Jim]

I was expelled from school aged 13 for "not trying".
Yup, even in them days I was a rebellious little s.o.b who refused to be indoctrinated; always have been, always will be..

 

[Lucky Jim]

This Twilight Zone episode is only 10 minutes long but is relevant to this thread..
****SPOILER****
Set in a future world, kids have to sit a 'Government Educational Service' I.Q. exam when they reach 12 years of age.
If they get a high score that exceeds the 'Government Standard', they're killed for being too brainy.
Obviously the government wants to cull out any kids who might grow up to question their authority..

 

[roy]

Smart folks are definately a threat to the government. Look at the way they are treated in 1984 and Brave New World. But on the other hand they are a necessity to keep things running.

 

[pastornator]

The government co-opts some of the best through the Rhodes Scholar program and other similar smaller and lower grade-level programs like the Governor's School program. Once identified and co-opted the brainwashing begins.

 

[Lucky Jim]

I don't know what the situation is like in the USA, but in Britain parents are hit with a £50 (75 dollars) fine or even jailed if their children play truant-

"A record 41,200 parents were fined for allowing their children to skip school last year following a Government crackdown on unauthorised absence, figures show"
Record numbers of parents hit with £50 truancy fines - Telegraph

"Mother locked up for children's truancy"
Mother locked up for children's truancy | Mail Online

Obviously the govt regards schools as "Indoctrination Centres" where kids can be moulded into growing up to become unquestioning sheeple, hence the pressure on parents to make sure they attend.
But thankfully there'll always be rebels who refuse to be moulded, as illustrated by this scene from Dead Poets Society where some gutsy kids stand on their desks like giants as a symbolic gesture of defiance-

 

[Lucky Jim]

Smart folks are definately a threat to the government. Look at the way they are treated in 1984 and Brave New World. But on the other hand they are a necessity to keep things running.

We're all brought up to believe in the myth that "the clever politicians and educated people know best", but a glance at the messed-up world proves they know jack shit despite having sheafs of diplomas, doctorates and degrees!

 

[miho]

Truancy here in my county is jail time.i read in the paper three parents went to jail for that in past school year.

 

[roy]

The requirements for homeschooling in Texas are very lax.

 

[Lucky Jim]

Born in 1948, I went to school from 1953 to 63 (thank God) when people saw things in clear-cut black and white, but later generations are being taught by the politically-correct wishy-washy establishment that nothing is black/white and that everything has a grey area that must be debated and discussed blah blah blah..
As a result, many kids grow up nowadays with brains like mush feeling insecure, semi-neurotic and afraid to express themselves.
In other words, they're easily-manipulated unquestioning robots just like the government wants.
Hey Mr Wayne, can anybody manipulate you?

"That'll be the day!"

 

[roy]

We must be about the same age. I started school in '53. If you are gonna pick an icon may I suggest Jimmy Stewart. John Wayne was mostly bluster, did everything he could to stay out of WWII. Jimmy Stewart however . . .

 

[rickkyw1720pf]

We must be about the same age. I started school in '53. If you are gonna pick an icon may I suggest Jimmy Stewart. John Wayne was mostly bluster, did everything he could to stay out of WWII. Jimmy Stewart however . . .

Few know that Jimmy Stewart rose to the rank of Brigadier General in the United States Air Force Reserve.

But I would put Charlton Heston along side of him.