Now that we can agree on for sure.
rebuilding America
Ok, here is just a few measly ideas.
Three months, for every citizen, soldier, diplomat, whatever to come home. No consulats, no nothing.
Zero help to any other country for one year. None. Take care of americans.
All returned military are at schools or border, respect the veterans.
Closed borders. No one gets in. Sorry.
Reevaluate govt.
Smaller. Not bigger.
Welfare is temporay.
Just a start. Tired of typing on phone.
Three months, for every citizen, soldier, diplomat, whatever to come home. No consulats, no nothing.
Zero help to any other country for one year. None. Take care of americans.
All returned military are at schools or border, respect the veterans.
Closed borders. No one gets in. Sorry.
Reevaluate govt.
Smaller. Not bigger.
Welfare is temporay.
Just a start. Tired of typing on phone.
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Scotty12,I think that perhaps we have lost sight of what we are supposed to be and it is our own fault as a country. Franklin Roosevelt was an advocate of the Monroe Doctrine although we winded up in WW II over a heinous attack by the Japanese. Maybe the issues of isolationism and immigration (legal) are two separate ideas. We should be isolationists in that we take care of our country and let the world kill each other if they want. However the Resister does make a valid point in that we are all a bunch of mutts. We just have to make sure there are rules that are followed in it. We are not living in the same times as our founding fathers were. Things change.
I don't know if it is an issue any longer regarding isolationism or immigration. Immigration presumes that every foreigner comes here to be a citizen. The definition of immigration is the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country. What we have today are people that come to the United States as guest workers to work at jobs willingly offered and later return to their native land. In a free society, we have the Right of ownership. If someone creates a job, the job is theirs to give to whomever they want. Many Social Conservatives don't see it that way.
As you can see from some of the responses directed toward me, some think that jobs belong to the people as opposed to the employer that created them. Such a proposition is pure socialism and not consistent with the constitutional Republic envisioned by the founding fathers. Wholesale immigration was never anticipated in the Constitution either. So, what is the answer? Honestly, most would not want the truth.
On this board you have misguided people that think immigration is "illegal." It isn't. It's purely civil. As a matter of fact, the same people wailing about "illegal" immigration are the same ones claiming we ought to enforce (sic) "our" immigration laws. Whoa, now. In previous posts I showed that there was no such thing as "illegal immigration." I even cited the correct federal laws on IMPROPER ENTRY, showing that we were dealing with a civil issue, not a criminal one; therefore, civil law has no illegal connotations. Let's go a step further here. The Social Conservatives want the immigration laws enforced. Let me try one of them for you just for fun:
"The right of a person to become a naturalized citizen shall not be denied or abridged because of race." Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (aka the McCarran - WalterAct)
Okay, so the foreigner has a RIGHT to become a citizen. I don't understand all the idiotic "illegal alien" language of the Social Conservatives. Not only is coming into the U.S. without papers NOT a crime, but the foreigner has a "RIGHT" to become a citizen IF you support the notion that the current immigration laws are consistent with the Constitution. If we treated the Second Amendment the same way we treat the immigration issue, nobody in America would have a gun. Due to the parameters of stare decisis (or precedent law) I do not support the Social Conservative interpretation of the immigration laws because if / when the precedents were applied to gun control, we'd all be out of firearms "legally" ... if you buy into anti - immigrant hysteria.
The "solutions" to fix America's problems is to recreate a communist idea from Berlin and build a fence around the southern border of the U.S., close the border and make the United States a complete POLICE STATE with National ID, Constitution Free Zones, and government control of the labor market. ALL of those so - called "solutions" have been promoted on this board. Some of the misguided reasoning can be found in this very thread!!! The irony of it all is that those same people want the immigration laws enforced and those laws make this assertion that people have a RIGHT to become a naturalized citizen. Of course, I seem to be the only one opposed to enforcing unconstitutional laws that presume to create Rights that simply do not exist. While I think that in a free market society every person has a Right to come here, work and do business, I DO NOT believe that citizenship is a Right. Neither should anyone be forced to become a citizen in order to participate in a free market. Come to the U.S., work, make money, but don't presume that you can automatically become a part of the body politic.
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Is that you, Raul?Do not fine a business for hiring illegal immigrants. Put them in JAIL. A fine is just another cost of doing business. Jail time actually means something to the white collars. Can't blaming an illegal immigrant for wanting to earn a living, but I can blame someone who is breaking the Law to profit from them. If no one will hire illegals, then they stop comming. Simple as that.
Import tariffs on all imported goods. That's what they do to us. Fords are extremely expensive in Japan due to high tariffs, but Toyotas are cheap. Works for them, works for us. This will cause a ramp up of our own manufacturing, which has historically shown to be the backbone of our economy. It pulled us through WW2, and the Great Deppression.
Term limits for all politicians. No more 30 year Congressmen.
Get rid of the two party system. No more political parties.
Overhaul the welfare system. Yes, we need a welfare system for people who can not work, but not for people who don't want to work. The TVA is an excellent model. Give the people the skills they need to be productive, not just throw free money at them. As a bonus, our national infrastructure gets a much needed boost.
Scale back the Dept. Of Homeland Security. There is very little need for a domestic military force designed to be used against US citizens.
Scale back foreign aid until we can afford it. International relations are very important, but not at the expense of Americans.
Cuba: Communist Party Discusses Introduction Of Term Limits
Um... I'm assuming from your usual combative, and immature posts, that this was somehow an attempt at making a connection between my post and Communism. However, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Two political entities can share a single policy idea, and still not be one in the same entity.
Could be, but how many times has the same, identical accusation been leveled at me AND when the leftists have never, ever suggested employing any suggestion I've posted???? You have something in common with the left. I don't. Big difference. Not trying to be immature, but if it came across that way, imagine all those detractors that I've had on this board. Just saying.Um... I'm assuming from your usual combative, and immature posts, that this was somehow an attempt at making a connection between my post and Communism. However, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Two political entities can share a single policy idea, and still not be one in the same entity.
Maybe it's time to stop slinging skeet at one another and ask questions instead of making accusations. And sparkyrep I did ask a question, not make some ridiculous allegation.
OI EASE UP TURBOCould be, but how many times has the same, identical accusation been leveled at me AND when the leftists have never, ever suggested employing any suggestion I've posted???? You have something in common with the left. I don't. Big difference. Not trying to be immature, but if it came across that way, imagine all those detractors that I've had on this board. Just saying.
Maybe it's time to stop slinging skeet at one another and ask questions instead of making accusations. And sparkyrep I did ask a question, not make some ridiculous allegation.
you seem to just ad fuel to your arguments that cause more issues for yourself, this is getting a lot of people on the defense, including you...
you have made a lot of disagreeable posts over the past few days (GRATE!! means you no sheep and think for yourself) but you follow it through with childish antics, and get hammered for it, linking a view to a communist party is something out of the cold war... it didn't work well then, it won't work now...
if you want to hold your own agsinst some of these arguments, grate (and all for it) just try not to be as much of a arsehole about it, or your message/point will be lost.....
ps CHILL its only the internet
You are absolutely correct sir. What can we agree on and what can we fight together for?Maybe it's time to stop slinging skeet at one another and ask questions instead of making accusations.
Resistor, when have I ever made a comment about you? I have never engaged in political banter with you. I try to stay out of political banter with anyone. How do you know I have something in common with the left? You don't have any idea of what my politics are. I will continue to try to stay out of political arguments, but if you, or anyone else calls me out, I will respond in kind. I have never accused you of anything, and I won't start now. Good luck in all your endeavors.Could be, but how many times has the same, identical accusation been leveled at me AND when the leftists have never, ever suggested employing any suggestion I've posted???? You have something in common with the left. I don't. Big difference. Not trying to be immature, but if it came across that way, imagine all those detractors that I've had on this board. Just saying.
Maybe it's time to stop slinging skeet at one another and ask questions instead of making accusations. And sparkyrep I did ask a question, not make some ridiculous allegation.
The point that is lost on all those trying to score brownie points against me (and I agree they are winning in a democratic race), but if America were to be defined into one word, it would be Liberty. It is the foundational principle upon which this nation was founded; it is the cement that holds a free country together. In my opinion, in order to rebuild America, you have to figure out what made us great in the first place. Patrick Henry did not mince any words on his view:You are absolutely correct sir. What can we agree on and what can we fight together for?
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."
Regardless of what negative commentary is aimed at me, at the end of the day, I fight for Liberty. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans; conservatives nor liberals; right or left have addressed the issue of Liberty with respect to the pet agendas. If I were debating on a liberal site, I would remind them that America was founded upon the concept that individuals were presumed to have been born with God given unalienable Rights. As such, no majority can tell me I cannot own a firearm or practice a religion they may not like. With the conservatives, they must be addressed in light of the fact that a POLICE STATE is as tyrannical as the Nanny State / Socialist utopia dreamed of by the liberal left.
Liberty is not a condition of citizenship. It is a Right that the individual is born with. Most people have lost sight of that fact. Living off the public dole and / or having a say as to whether we remain a Republic or a POLICE STATE... or Nanny State is not a Right. Those are privileges of citizenship. Much to the chagrin of many, America was founded on the idea that we are the biblical Israel mentioned in the Bible. As such, that nation does not have walls, bars or gates (see Ezekiel 38 : 11 as an example.) It does not matter whether or not you believe in the Bible. The founding fathers did and their system of jurisprudence is predicated upon biblical precepts. Our heritage is a collection of things we deem to be right and wrong with the Bible as a guide.
If the formula works - and we did become the greatest nation in the annals of history, I see no reason not to commit to rebuilding America the same way it was created. Liberty cannot be marginalized. That is where I draw the ire of many. But, let me say this to all of you. Bruce Cofield (author of things like Mary Poppins, Nancy Drew Dres, the Hardy Boys, etc.) summed it up best:
"Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship."
If we could agree on that point and commit to the study of Liberty, we might be able to begin the rebuilding process. The POLICE STATE with its graduated income tax, so - called "Patriot Act," Constitution Free Zones, National ID / REAL ID Act, Homeland (IN) Security, and the endless tyrannical laws that the left and right demand we slavishly follow are the real problem. Each of them are an attack on Liberty. On that I make my stand and ask everyone to rally around the concept of Liberty. It is the foundational principle of a free nation.
I have apologized to you once. I don't exactly keep score of who said what... with only a couple of major exceptions for poseurs. I did not mean to accuse you, but to start a discussion based upon the idea that we don't have a Right to vote for whomever we want. Term limits have a downside. It may promise to keep bad people from continuing on, but it also puts a time limit on effective and good leaders.Resistor, when have I ever made a comment about you? I have never engaged in political banter with you. I try to stay out of political banter with anyone. How do you know I have something in common with the left? You don't have any idea of what my politics are. I will continue to try to stay out of political arguments, but if you, or anyone else calls me out, I will respond in kind. I have never accused you of anything, and I won't start now. Good luck in all your endeavors.
Quite frankly, I'd like to avoid the political banter, but if you followed all my postings on this board, I get attacked on a regular basis by people hoping to score popularity points against me rather than to discuss substantive issues. So, I sometimes come off as being aggressive. In this case, my bad. As for me, I'm a strict constructionist and would rather rebuild America on the same principles our founding fathers did. That America worked. The one we have does not.
Its a damn shame when I find myself agreeing with you....If you want to rebuild America, you have to renounce the modern day money changers. Offer incentives for employers to hire Americans. Tax those countries that send in goods made in slave states. We cannot compete with slave labor without either taxing the foreign profiteers and / or becoming a slave state ourselves. Get the government out of welfare.
IMHO it is not the illegal aliens that are the problem. They come to the US looking for a better life for them and their children. The real problem seems to be that when they get here they find the US to be paradise on earth. The liberals bend over backwards to give them so much, they quickly learn what the all the other people with their hands out learned long ago. Grab anything and everything from the government. It is the golden goose. Unfortunately the golden goose will soon die. I fer then that all the people with their hands out will suddenly turn on the government and everyone else who has worked their a$$ for a living and try to take what the aren't getting from the government. Our children and our grand children and the next 10 generations will be paying off the debt incurred through the efforts of the government. If you do the math, each person in the US would have to cough up about $55,000.00 to pay off that debt. But since nearly 50% of the people have full time jobs of standing around with their hands out, I figure we should say that each hard working person in the US would have to cough up $110,000.00 to pay off the debt. While I know that there are plenty of hard working illegals out there, I knew too many who scammed their way into the handout line. The scary part is it now seems the young adult children of the hard working generations have figured out that they too can scam the government and get hand outs. One young guy, age 28, has a girl friend and has 3 kids with her. They are not married. She gets a very large assistance check from the state of ILLINOIS for housing, gets medical care for the kids, a snap card, and help paying for the day care for the kids so she can work. This guy makes a real good dollar where I worked, but by living with her, they have have tons of money to afford the finer and more fun things in life. When I was that age, I had 2 jobs to make ends meet. The thought of taking hand outs was repulsive, too much pride I guess. But that era is over, I'm afraid. I cry for myself, my grandchildren and the country in general. I can't help but feel that the US is plunging into an abyss create by "do gooders" who only want to get re-elected, damn the expense and damage to the country. I will never vote for an incumbent again. Rebuild America by getting rid of all incumbents!!!
This is akin to the chicken clucking about how to rebuild the farm. We have no more capability of rebuilding America.
Holy shit. DEEBO is certainly alive and kicking. And very surprised that he and resister have agreed on something.
THAT'S SCARY. :shock:Holy shit. DEEBO is certainly alive and kicking. And very surprised that he and resister have agreed on something.
Like Resister said, most of us are here only to attack him and score points. I'm not sure what we are scoring points for but I'm not a lawyer either so.... Most of his posts do read like a law brief though.
BTW, who has scored the most points so far?
So the correct general consensus seems to be legal immigration is ok as long as it is legal and we have limits on who we let in. Having said that the only real way to ensure that is to close our borders. Makes sense to me.
You and I may never agree on immigration. But frankly, if we do not get the rest of this mess sorted out, immigration will not matter anyway because soon nobody is going to WANT to immigrate here, legally or illegally. The rest of this post (as well as several of your other recent posts) I agree with. Let us set aside the immigration issue for the time being and work together to restore liberty on the 98% of the issues we do agree on.The point that is lost on all those trying to score brownie points against me (and I agree they are winning in a democratic race), but if America were to be defined into one word, it would be Liberty. It is the foundational principle upon which this nation was founded; it is the cement that holds a free country together. In my opinion, in order to rebuild America, you have to figure out what made us great in the first place. Patrick Henry did not mince any words on his view:
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."
Regardless of what negative commentary is aimed at me, at the end of the day, I fight for Liberty. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans; conservatives nor liberals; right or left have addressed the issue of Liberty with respect to the pet agendas. If I were debating on a liberal site, I would remind them that America was founded upon the concept that individuals were presumed to have been born with God given unalienable Rights. As such, no majority can tell me I cannot own a firearm or practice a religion they may not like. With the conservatives, they must be addressed in light of the fact that a POLICE STATE is as tyrannical as the Nanny State / Socialist utopia dreamed of by the liberal left.
Liberty is not a condition of citizenship. It is a Right that the individual is born with. Most people have lost sight of that fact. Living off the public dole and / or having a say as to whether we remain a Republic or a POLICE STATE... or Nanny State is not a Right. Those are privileges of citizenship. Much to the chagrin of many, America was founded on the idea that we are the biblical Israel mentioned in the Bible. As such, that nation does not have walls, bars or gates (see Ezekiel 38 : 11 as an example.) It does not matter whether or not you believe in the Bible. The founding fathers did and their system of jurisprudence is predicated upon biblical precepts. Our heritage is a collection of things we deem to be right and wrong with the Bible as a guide.
If the formula works - and we did become the greatest nation in the annals of history, I see no reason not to commit to rebuilding America the same way it was created. Liberty cannot be marginalized. That is where I draw the ire of many. But, let me say this to all of you. Bruce Cofield (author of things like Mary Poppins, Nancy Drew Dres, the Hardy Boys, etc.) summed it up best:
"Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship."
If we could agree on that point and commit to the study of Liberty, we might be able to begin the rebuilding process. The POLICE STATE with its graduated income tax, so - called "Patriot Act," Constitution Free Zones, National ID / REAL ID Act, Homeland (IN) Security, and the endless tyrannical laws that the left and right demand we slavishly follow are the real problem. Each of them are an attack on Liberty. On that I make my stand and ask everyone to rally around the concept of Liberty. It is the foundational principle of a free nation.
We are a Nation built on the principal of open boarders. We are a Nation of mutts, and that is what makes us great. It is the mixing of cultures and ideas that has propelled us in the arenas of science and industry. We simply need to stop giving away free money and services to people that have not, and will never pay into that system that provides that money.
Please clarify one thing, who, living in this nation doesn't pay in to it? Just curious as everyone pays taxes in one form or other at many levels.We are a Nation built on the principal of open boarders. We are a Nation of mutts, and that is what makes us great. It is the mixing of cultures and ideas that has propelled us in the arenas of science and industry. We simply need to stop giving away free money and services to people that have not, and will never pay into that system that provides that money.
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