rebuilding America

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Deebo

Discussion Starter · Dec 27, 2013

Ok, here is just a few measly ideas.
Three months, for every citizen, soldier, diplomat, whatever to come home. No consulats, no nothing.
Zero help to any other country for one year. None. Take care of americans.
All returned military are at schools or border, respect the veterans.
Closed borders. No one gets in. Sorry.
Reevaluate govt.
Smaller. Not bigger.
Welfare is temporay.
Just a start. Tired of typing on phone.

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joec

· #10 · Dec 28, 2013 (Edited)

PrepConsultant said:
Government needs a good douching. Welfare need to be redone as well. No more steak and shrimp for food stamps. I just love how they can go in and buy about whatever they want with food stamps. Our justice system needs to be redone as well. Anyone that likes Sean Penn and the rest of the liberal celebrities needs to be executed! Well, most of em anyway..lol

Man where can I get shrimp and steak on about 4.43 per day? Average amount of food stamps is $133 per month.

Now you want to stop illegal immigration that is easy. Re-issue social security cards with a card that can't be duplicated to all citizens and those that are here on a work visa. Any person caught working without the proper card arrest the person that hired them and give them some jail time and a strong fine the first time. A second time they lose their business the same as a mobster would lose all of his property if caught and convicted.

I agree that our justice system needs to be redone though take the business out of it of running prisons as now one in the system you will never get out of it.

As for the liberals I guess the same could be said about conservatives however people have a right to say what they believe even if you don't like it. That is unless you want a totalitarian government.

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joec

· #14 · Dec 28, 2013

PrepConsultant said:
I have seen them buy steak and stuff with food stamps MANY times. My stepdaughter used to work as Publix when she was in school and said that almost every day someone would come in and get seafood and steak with food stamps. I have been in line before and have had them buying steak,chops and a buggy full of junk food and then pull out their ebt card. All while wearing $200 shoes,gold all over and then go out and get in their Escalade with 22in spinners!!

I agree that prisons are being run as businesses instead of what they are meant for..

As for liberals and conservatives having the right to say what they want. There is freedom of speech even though the liberal side has ruined this country..

Liberals have ruined this country but we have had more conservative congresses and presidents since WWII than liberals. Fact is both parties have brought us here.

As for the food stamps perhaps I'm shopping in the wrong stores though I've not seen a Publix since I left Florida but we do have Kroger's which I think is similar.

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joec

· #18 · Dec 28, 2013

Scotty12 said:
One problem is that what was once a liberal is now a socialist or full blown communist.

Here you should find this helpful in what socialism and communism is.

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joec

· #21 · Dec 28, 2013

PrepConsultant said:
No more N A F T A!!

Now that we can agree on for sure.

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joec

· #40 · Dec 28, 2013

sparkyprep said:
We are a Nation built on the principal of open boarders. We are a Nation of mutts, and that is what makes us great. It is the mixing of cultures and ideas that has propelled us in the arenas of science and industry. We simply need to stop giving away free money and services to people that have not, and will never pay into that system that provides that money.

Please clarify one thing, who, living in this nation doesn't pay in to it? Just curious as everyone pays taxes in one form or other at many levels.

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joec

· #42 · Dec 28, 2013

PaulS said:
Undocumented workers do not pay income tax. Most do not even exist because they are paid in cash under the table. They live in a state paying for food and shelter (sometimes not paying for shelter) and the only taxes they pay are on the goods they purchase. As undocumented inhabitants they are not licensed to drive but some do own cars and drive them - without a license and without insurance.

The do pay taxes and unless hired off the books, which is illegal by the employer. They then they do pay into the system regardless. Oh and I'll bet many more are working on the books than off especially in places like the farming industry.

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joec

· #44 · Dec 28, 2013

PaulS said:
How does an undocumented worker pay income tax? Without documentation there is no way to withhold taxes. The last time I checked you need a social security card to be hired (on the books). Even a 1099 requires documentation and a social security number. Undocumented workers cannot be legally hired but they still work and they do so without the protections afforded documented employees. They have no on-the-job injury care - so they use the emergency rooms at the hospital. They can't afford to pay so they use an assumed identity. They don't have protections about overtime pay so they often work more than 40 hours a week for minimum wages (sometimes less than the standard minimum wage) without vacations or sick leave. Once they are hurt they can lose their "job" or have to go for a time without working. They send their surplus money out of the country to family or friends.
Some work in the construction field and on their off time do work on their own - without the licenses or insurance that is required by law.
How can you say that undocumented workers pay income tax?

Did I say he pays income tax? I said he pays taxes on the gas he buys, rent for a place to live, utilities he uses and sales tax. Now not all illegals are hired off the books just as Tyson Foods for example or those here on a work visa that have stayed past their extension. The IRS sure doesn't cross reference if you are legal or illegal in this country either. They don't even cross reference birth and death certificates for the voter rolls in this country or issued ID.

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joec

· #46 · Dec 28, 2013

PrepConsultant said:
I have to disagree with this. I have worked in the produce/veg farming industry for many years.. Some of the very large companies stick with 'documented" workers and I use that term loosely. The vast majority that had papers change them up almost every year. They use ss card from friends,family and whoever else they can get them from. Then they claim 8-10 dependents. There are a few that are working legally but not the majority.

Now when you get into the smaller to medium sized farms that is where the vast majority of illegals work. A lot pay cash and don't even bother with papers.. Over the years, even some of the ones I thought were documented turned out to be illegal. You could hear them talking about where they were going to get their next ss card or other paperwork for the next season.

Then come payday they were down the street at the habib store sending western union to Mexico. So the majority of the money they make doesn't even go here. I asked a few of them over the years about sending money to Mexico. They say they send more than half back there. That is why so amny live together and drive around together. It is a way to save money.. Actually, it is kind of smart.

I don't disagee at all other than there are taxes on every item we consume except the air we breath so they pay into the system even though they don't pay income tax. Though when you think about the money the actually make for the work they do under the table if they where ligament they probably still wouldn't pay much income tax either.

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joec

· #50 · Dec 28, 2013

PaulS said:
You keep using the term "illegals" and I am talking about "undocumented". Not all "illegals" are undocumented. Like you say - those who stay after their visas expire - they are still documented workers. The vast majority of those who enter the USA are undocumented. They never went through the crossing station, they have no visas, and they are here to make money to send home. Those are undocumented workers. I worked for a company that hired a "contractor" for "lumpers" (men who unload and load trucks that have to be manually loaded). The "contractor" was an American citizen who filed his 1099 with the company but his workers were all undocumented workers. The company didn't care because they didn't actually "hire" the workers they dealt with the contractor. In some ways I felt bad for these guys because they were paid very little and had no benefits. One of them was injured on the job and was told that he couldn't seek medical care because he didn't have a Social Security card. He was told that if he complained he would not get his pay and he would lose his job. I was working for Sysco at the time and brought it up to our safety coordinator who replied that it was not his job to take care of the contractors business. At the same time I know that these guys are living in America for 9 months out of the year and not paying income taxes and sending dollars to Mexico. They are diving without a license or insurance. If they get into an accident it is just too bad for the other driver because there is no recourse - they have nothing you can sue for or attach for compensation. They are costing us a lot of money and taking jobs away from others who actually live here.

I am using the term illegal as that seems to be the current accepted term here. I don't have a problem with either term really as to me I really don't see a problem with immigration at all.

I had a tenant here for a year or so that bought and refinished foreclosed homes. He bragged one day about how he only hires undocumented workers because he pays them half of what he would pay documented workers. He also claimed he worked them longer hours with no breaks other than lunch. He eventually did go to jail but not for that but something else not related to his business practices. Sure don't miss him or his type either.

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joec

· #52 · Dec 28, 2013

PrepConsultant said:
Sounds like a scumbag..

He also drove around in a new Mercedes or Porche but was always late paying his rent. You learn a lot about people when you own a storage business often more than you want to know.

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