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More cops out of control...

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Wouldn't it be great if everyone could review their actions on video and get a "Do Over?" Well that isn't how it works and few professions get put under the microscope like law enforcement. It’s easy to play the Monday morning quarterback and pick apart the officers but the fact of the matter is officers have seconds to make decisions. I’m sure the officer in the video wishes he had handled it differently. It is different with every officer when it comes to dealing with the public, some are naturals and others, well it may take some life lessons and experience to get it right. It is also easy to wrapped up and emotional about a video because it is a brief snapshot with very little information.
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The Kid was in the wrong "do you know who I am?", but the police were also, escalating the situation to physical violence where a calm voice could have defused the entire situation. The police need remedial training in how to deal with people. Protect and "Serve", they need to learn allot about customer service.

Teenager with an ego needs to be punched in the face, chest knelt on and handcuffed vs. a calm attitude? Looks like a clear case of assault to me. And the police dare to mention possible charges against the kid where he "actually" did nothing wrong. Yes his voice was agitated but wouldn't yours be? Not because the police but because what happened up to that point.

I.E. your at a bar, some drunk sucker punches you. Are you going to be angry or totally calm and collective? Later when talking with the police, your still angry over it, you probably have been dwelling on it, (I should have done this or that) getting your self angrier. Your treating the police as humans but there is still a tone in your voice. Police should be trained to recognize this is Human Nature and is not being intentionally directed at them.

The Police is probably the first person the victim spoke to and just needs a release valve to "verbally" vent. Think I'm wrong on this? Do police carry a stuffed teddy bear in their cruiser to calm down children? Don't adults need/deserve the same? Not a teddy bear but you know what I mean.

Having my fingers curled in is much more comfortable then having them flat at my sides, call it arthritis. In the military standing at attention your fingers are curled clutching the seam of your pants. I guess to a cop that's clenched fists and just cause to physically assault me?
First off police are not in customer service business because the customer isn't always right in law enforcement work. Second save the drama for your momma, I'm not your outlet and I can't fix in a few seconds what you took a lifetime to screw up. You can't vent on law enforcement. As for the clinched fists, you don't want to react to an attack; you want to prevent it from happening. If that takes placing a person in cuffs or placing them on the ground where they can reevaluate their actions, so be it. When in law enforcement you can't lose control of the situation and you can do this by being professional and keenly aware of your surroundings and the people you are dealing with.
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With that attitude, that is why more and more people despise the police. You took the entire post I made out of context due to two words. Typical of police mentality.

Give someone a badge and a gun they think they are god, everything they say is fact and if you disagree, your beet down till you agree. That is evident in this video with how many "Do you understand me?" were said by the thugs standing behind their badge.

Cop took the first swing, that's assault. To be decided by a jury of your pears.

FYI: In the military if you fail your tech school, you are put in a less technical career. If a cop fails his school the only less technical career available is a cook. If a cook fails they are unfit for military duty and discharged. Don't believe me, look it up for your self and make your own conclusion.
I don't believe I'm God, I leave that to my brother the Doctor. I'm not a cop but a federal agent and you say I'm typical of police mentality because of what I took from your post. What did I miss? My attitude? Sorry I didn't give you a teddy bear. I served in the military and passed my MOS school. I have served for 14 years in so far in my agency without reprimand, disciplinary action, or formal complaint. I have received the highest award from my agency, the Newton-Azrak. I don't feel power from my badge and gun but responsibility and the humble foundation laid by the others that lead before me.
It would seem that Vandelescrow that you have had run ins with the law and probably spent some time behind bars and was discharged from the military with a less than honorable discharge, or I'm I taking what you wrote out of context?
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By examining situations like this in detail with the luxury of being removed from the immediate danger, we can learn valuable lessons which will serve us well if faced with a similar situation on the streets. If this can help even one cop to diffuse a situation before resorting to such tactics, it has not been a waste of time to talk about.

I would gladly let that kid get punched in the face 100 times if it would encourage the small minority of "god" cops to think about their actions before acting the way that one acted.

The fact that nearly all of the civilians thought the cop's actions were extreme while nearly all of our cop members saw nothing wrong with the way the situation was handled points to a serious problem, at least in my opinion. The police work for us, the civilians, and we set the guidelines that control their allowable responses to situations. And no, we as civilians, don't have to sit there and take it. This isn't a police state yet.

And again, I say that I do respect the police, and won't let the actions of a small minority taint the reputation of a mostly noble breed who put their lives on the line everyday to protect us. However, I still say that the small minority of police who refuse to toe OUR line need to be held accountable for their actions.
In the academy we have the trainees go through scenarios that are video taped so that their actions can be reviewed by training officers and the trainee him/herself. Law enforcement work isn't always pretty and the police in this case handled it in the way they thought was appropriate. We can argue all day on the video piece by piece but the fact is the kid seemed intoxicated and approached the police in the wrong way. It would seem that most people see this video and respond with emotions instead of the facts on what is viewed. I don't know what you do at work but I doubt you stand for demeaning, insulting language and people getting in your face. Why should it be any different for law enforcement?
I reviewed the video again and it would seem that the supposed soldier had a very drastic change in attitude by being taken to the ground. I think it would be the same reaction I would have if I had talked to my father in the same way. the police officer telling the kid that he was talking to a US Marine was justified in the fact that a US Marine is a superior life form. I do believe he was dealing with an ARMY soldier, in other words a Ain't Really a Marine Yet ;)
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I was not going to respond to any more of this thread because it's turned into a name calling, but to set the record straight, I have never been arrested and I am retired Air Force. Served over 20 years honorably.
Name calling? Really you are a sensitive one.
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