Prepadoodle· Mod Squad
We don't know why. The cop never bothered to ask him, or, for that matter, anyone else.This guy calls the police and reports that he has been "Forcibly Removed" from the place he was living. My question is why?
Again, they never bothered to ask why. Are you suggesting it's OK to punch people in the face as long as you only inflict "minor" injuries?He reports that he was punched in the face. Again, why? He claims being held down (could have been) and punched. The injury was minor.
Are you suggesting that civil rights only belong to those who have lots of stuff? Does the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights only protect rich people?He reports that his belongings were placed on the porch. Indicates he probably doesn't have a lot of stuff and perhaps he is "couch surfing".
These cops didn't seem that interested in hearing 2 sides of any story. They didn't seem that interested in hearing the story at all. They did seem interested in proving they are hard guys who don't take any shit from civilians.As a cop, I start putting these pieces together, keeping in mind there are 2 sides to every story.
Bad thoughts are also "a precursor to possible physically aggressive behavior." Maybe we should monitor thoughts and beat anyone who doesn't toe the party line? Police have the right to protect themselves from ACTUAL physically aggressive behavior. Police have no right to step up in someone's face and escalate the situation until they feel justified in smacking that person in the head and putting them in a pain hold until they respect the cop's authority.Then, as I'm talking to you, you start getting verbally aggressive (a precursor to possible physically aggressive behavior), dropping "F-Bombs" (Disorderly Conduct/Fighting Words - Another precursor).
So the cops can posture by stepping in your face, but you can't puff up yer chest? LOL Really? The guy was a moron, no doubt about it. A reasonable response from the 2 police officers would be to keep their distance and de-escalate the situation, not do everything they can to push it to the next level. As far as I can see, all 3 of them are pretty much morons.As I step closer to you, you posture (puffing out your chest/clenching your fists) and then ask "Do you know who you're talking to? I'm a United States Soldier and you better recognize." At this point, in my mind, a physical attack by YOU is imminent. I would however have given him the opportunity (warning) to settle down a little bit and have a reasonable conversation so I could help him. After that, his actions would have determined the course.
Thanks for the warning.With that aside, DONE DEAL. And you hit the ground. They were much nicer than I would have been, as it would have been a straight trip to jail, not a mere documentation of my contact.
Logically speaking, I have no idea why he was kicked out. Logically speaking, neither do you.Logically speaking, we all know why he was kicked out of the apartment by his buddies. He's an a**hole. I can guarantee they got sick of his crap, told him to leave, he postured up on them, got popped in the lip, and tossed out with his stuff following behind him. This tells me that he is no longer in the military and doesn't have a pot to p*ss in or a window to throw it out of.
If they are hippies, it is not only okay, it is required!Again, they never bothered to ask why. Are you suggesting it's OK to punch people in the face as long as you only inflict "minor" injuries?
I would slap you upside the head, then jump on you and beat you until I got tired. This is why I will never become a LEO.I mean honestly Doodle, if I approached you on the street, was rude to you from the onset, then puffed out my chest at you, clinched my fists and told you "You don't know who you're dealing with, you better recognize"; just what exactly would you be inclined to do? With the knowledge that you have a complete inability to retreat? You see, police can't just walk away. They have a duty to act. An "Inability to Retreat". What would you do? And let's forget the badge. Just two men with one being confrontational and aggressive.
You are absolutely correct; There is NOTHING wrong with expecting accountability from the Police.I would slap you upside the head, then jump on you and beat you until I got tired. This is why I will never become a LEO.
I'm not anti-police. I recognize they do a thankless, dangerous job for a bunch of people who mostly resent them. I don't have the mindset to be a cop because I would probably just shoot too many fools. But, you see, that's the difference. Yeah, cops are human, I get that. The job wears you down, I get that too. Still... excess is excess.
And yeah, I saw you said they made mistakes and I agree, so did mister pufferchest. The "soldier" guy paid for his mistake, the cops get away with it. Sorry, but there is something wrong there. It's a tough job, hats off to those who do it with honor. There is nothing wrong with expecting accountability from the police.
It wasn't just the attitude. It was the posturing and fist clenching that went with it. Makes for a whole different ball game.The cop was a dick - period. He wasn't the only one, but he was on duty and supposed to act as a professional.
LEOs interact with people a million times a day. I'm guessing 99.9% of their interactions are professional.
This was not one of those times. When the punk decided to get an attitude, the officer should have been a professional - he wasn't.
I think that falls along the lines of the theory that the defendant had 2.013 seconds to make a life or death decision and the prosecution had 18 months to pick through that decision with a fine toothed comb.Wouldn't it be great if everyone could review their actions on video and get a "Do Over?" Well that isn't how it works and few professions get put under the microscope like law enforcement. It's easy to play the Monday morning quarterback and pick apart the officers but the fact of the matter is officers have seconds to make decisions. I'm sure the officer in the video wishes he had handled it differently. It is different with every officer when it comes to dealing with the public, some are naturals and others, well it may take some life lessons and experience to get it right. It is also easy to wrapped up and emotional about a video because it is a brief snapshot with very little information.
Same here. I treat cops with courtesy because I think they deserve courtesy. They do a dangerous, thankless job that needs doing, and the last thing I'm gonna do is make their job harder.I have never been in any more trouble than traffic violations. Never been cuffed, never sat in a cop car. BUT, whenever I was required to interact with law enforcement I simply treated them with courtesy. And they were courteous in return. Basic stuff, folks.