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With everyone stocking beans and bullets, do you have a stock of medical equipment you keep on hand?

I mean not just basic medical,for those of you a ways off from a hospital, do you carry or keep a trauma kit nearby?
Do you know how and when to use it?

97% of preventable deaths occur from bleeding out. What is your hemorrhage control and plan to stop the bleeding?
I believe at minimum everyone should have close at hand a TQ, Compressed gauze, Chest seals, and Elastic bandages. Add on any extra kit you are trained to use or may be useful in your situation.

NPA’s and NCD’s do NOT belong in your IFAK,

Any medics in here with some input? Your preps are useless if you slip and fall on your knife and bleed out.
 

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I mean not just basic medical,for those of you a ways off from a hospital, do you carry or keep a trauma kit nearby?
Do you know how and when to use it?
As a retired PH I always carried a trauma kit in the field, which was generally 90 days straight. In 2021 (after my neighbor got mauled to death and eaten in our backyard) I set about building a serious trauma kit. I lucked out and received a lot of badly needed help.

It ended up quite huge, I had to cull it into two "Step" kits. First step for serious wilderness trauma (hopefully to allow crawling to the plane or truck. Then a second step-up kit to enhance probability of making it 110 miles to hospital by road, or 300 miles by aircraft.
 

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68%+/- die from bleeding out, not 97%.
97 out of 100 patients who die from blood loss could have been saved by proper and immediate pre hospital treatment. i understand how i worded it makes it sound.

anything else to add bud? can you perhaps share some of your medical wisdom on trauma care with the class?
 

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As a retired PH I always carried a trauma kit in the field, which was generally 90 days straight. In 2021 (after my neighbor got mauled to death and eaten in our backyard) I set about building a serious trauma kit. I lucked out and received a lot of badly needed help.

It ended up quite huge, I had to cull it into two "Step" kits. First step for serious wilderness trauma (hopefully to allow crawling to the plane or truck. Then a second step-up kit to enhance probability of making it 110 miles to hospital by road, or 300 miles by aircraft.
Could you elaborate on some of the things you carry for wilderness trauma? i am still in the process of building a better kit for being in the wilderness and could use some insight. thanks for your response.
 

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With everyone stocking beans and bullets, do you have a stock of medical equipment you keep on hand?

I mean not just basic medical,for those of you a ways off from a hospital, do you carry or keep a trauma kit nearby?
Do you know how and when to use it?

97% of preventable deaths occur from bleeding out. What is your hemorrhage control and plan to stop the bleeding?
I believe at minimum everyone should have close at hand a TQ, Compressed gauze, Chest seals, and Elastic bandages. Add on any extra kit you are trained to use or may be useful in your situation.

NPA’s and NCD’s do NOT belong in your IFAK,

Any medics in here with some input? Your preps are useless if you slip and fall on your knife and bleed out.
I have a very well stocked trauma kit. This includes SAM splints, chest seals, ACE bandages, quick-clot, lots of gauze, etc. In addition, I have forceps, suture kits, tweezers, scalpels, etc. I have gathered and read a number of medical manuals and herbal medicine manuals. Out SHTF group has an EMT, a retired Navy corpsman and a retired ER nurse. When I started prepping, one of my first priorities was to gather medical gear and anything the would help in their uses.
 

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Could you elaborate on some of the things you carry for wilderness trauma? i am still in the process of building a better kit for being in the wilderness and could use some insight. thanks for your response.
I don't know if this forum has problem with linking other forum threads, if so, please urgently delete. This is the thread that became the foundation of my "Trauma Kit" project.
Quick Clot.......gauze or the powder or "WHAT" | Homesteading & Country Living Forum (homesteadingforum.org)

Some place I have a list of everything, doubt I can find it. One thing I added is a lot of those things you break that supply light for a period of time.
 

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With everyone stocking beans and bullets, do you have a stock of medical equipment you keep on hand?

I mean not just basic medical,for those of you a ways off from a hospital, do you carry or keep a trauma kit nearby?
Do you know how and when to use it?

97% of preventable deaths occur from bleeding out. What is your hemorrhage control and plan to stop the bleeding?
I believe at minimum everyone should have close at hand a TQ, Compressed gauze, Chest seals, and Elastic bandages. Add on any extra kit you are trained to use or may be useful in your situation.

NPA’s and NCD’s do NOT belong in your IFAK,

Any medics in here with some input? Your preps are useless if you slip and fall on your knife and bleed out.
We control hemmoraging by direct pressure or a tourniquet as taught in Boy Scouts and First Aid 101.
 

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We control hemmoraging by direct pressure or a tourniquet as taught in Boy Scouts and First Aid 101.
Yes, exactly as I was taught in the mid 1950's Boy Scouts. But most of that assumed you were rendering aid on another injured person. I build my kit assuming only me fixing myself, and as much as possible, assumed my dominant hand/arm was included in damaged parts.

For where and how I live a PLB was/is of equal importance to the trauma kit.
 

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With everyone stocking beans and bullets, do you have a stock of medical equipment you keep on hand?

I mean not just basic medical,for those of you a ways off from a hospital, do you carry or keep a trauma kit nearby?
Do you know how and when to use it?

97% of preventable deaths occur from bleeding out. What is your hemorrhage control and plan to stop the bleeding?
I believe at minimum everyone should have close at hand a TQ, Compressed gauze, Chest seals, and Elastic bandages. Add on any extra kit you are trained to use or may be useful in your situation.

NPA’s and NCD’s do NOT belong in your IFAK,

Any medics in here with some input? Your preps are useless if you slip and fall on your knife and bleed out.
The three most common injuries leading to death that could be prevented, according to DoD statistics on soldiers, is:
1. Exsanguination (bleeding out)
2. Tension pneumothorax (collapsed lung with air intake in chest cavity)
3. Airway obstruction

I have booboo kits and household first aid kits. These have normal items for the most common of household injuries. (cuts, scrapes, bug bites, cold compress, etc)
But for my IFAK, both on person and in bags, I have the necessary equipment to address the above three causes of preventable death. (tourniquets/pressure bandages, decompression needle and chest seals, airway kits)
I carry my on-body IFAK when I have a firearm. I have a truck bag with one when I'm not, which isn't often.
Why do you recommend that NPAs not be included in IFAKs? What would you recommend for airway obstruction?
Full disclosure, I don't use NPAs, but rather Berman type oral airway kits.
 

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Having all sorts of great first aid equipment is wonderful. How many of you really now how to use it, without harming the patient?
I have no idea how to use any of it. I'll just do my best. In my environment there are only two choices, watch them die, or make every effort to postpone that.

Most of that stuff comes with instructions......:ROFLMAO:
 

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I have no idea how to use any of it. I'll just do my best. I my environment there are only two choices, watch them die, or make every effort to postpone that.

Most of that stuff comes with instructions......:ROFLMAO:
Oh christamighty you should be learning and practicing all that already, not waiting until you need it. Its bad enough thinking about the horrors I wont see in reclusion when all these monkeys start medically mauling and killing their patient. It occurred to me that at least most won't even know they did, since they were doing stuff without comprehension anyway.
People need more respect for life and the actual ability to listen to it, not just attack and brutalize them. That takes dedication and time to develop.
I wasn't doing too bad until it came down too "Got a lot of cool stuff! With instructions" at least even those dash offs could actually save a person if the rescuer isn't a total first timer.
LEARN - specifically.
You can fk people up sewing wrong or applying teks you see in a book, where drs wouldn't.
You can easily finish an urgent or emergency person off just mishandling them.
Its not like keeping a fish tank or changing a distributor on a car.
And best wishes? That above all besides LEARN
 

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I told my depression survivor (in style) grandmother that I would have a pharmacy to trade for what I didn't grow and do ok.
She said "Oh everybody that took pills died?" and she meant the addicts just as much.
But? I suppose when its war i will do war and when it quiets down, i will trade.
I already know they are going to launch a puke-n-sht on people that will be resistant and that even we are going to stay far from.
 

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Oh christamighty you should be learning and practicing all that already, not waiting until you need it. Its bad enough thinking about the horrors I wont see in reclusion when all these monkeys start medically mauling and killing their patient. It occurred to me that at least most won't even know they did, since they were doing stuff without comprehension anyway.
People need more respect for life and the actual ability to listen to it, not just attack and brutalize them. That takes dedication and time to develop.
I wasn't doing too bad until it came down too "Got a lot of cool stuff! With instructions" at least even those dash offs could actually save a person if the rescuer isn't a total first timer.
LEARN - specifically.
You can fk people up sewing wrong or applying teks you see in a book, where drs wouldn't.
You can easily finish an urgent or emergency person off just mishandling them.
Its not like keeping a fish tank or changing a distributor on a car.
And best wishes? That above all besides LEARN
Please note I said, "In my ENVIROMENT".
 

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As Kauboy noted, everyone should learn the US Army 4 Life Saving Steps.
1. Clear the airway
2. Stop the bleeding
3. Protect the wound
4. Treat for shock

This just MIGHT keep the patient alive long enough to get to proper medical care.
Notice the order - they are that way on purpose.
 

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The three most common injuries leading to death that could be prevented, according to DoD statistics on soldiers, is:
1. Exsanguination (bleeding out)
2. Tension pneumothorax (collapsed lung with air intake in chest cavity)
3. Airway obstruction

I have booboo kits and household first aid kits. These have normal items for the most common of household injuries. (cuts, scrapes, bug bites, cold compress, etc)
But for my IFAK, both on person and in bags, I have the necessary equipment to address the above three causes of preventable death. (tourniquets/pressure bandages, decompression needle and chest seals, airway kits)
I carry my on-body IFAK when I have a firearm. I have a truck bag with one when I'm not, which isn't often.
Why do you recommend that NPAs not be included in IFAKs? What would you recommend for airway obstruction?
Full disclosure, I don't use NPAs, but rather Berman type oral airway kits.
I don’t recommend NPA’s in an IFAK for a couple reasons which are fairly simple.

The first is that an IFAK is your personal medical kit, to be used on yourself available with either hand. If I am in a position to need an NPA I won’t be the one able to insert it, therefore taking up unnecessary space on my kit.
Instead I try to recommend people use the recovery position for a patient, which is fairly successful at keeping airways clear.
 

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I don’t recommend NPA’s in an IFAK for a couple reasons which are fairly simple.

The first is that an IFAK is your personal medical kit, to be used on yourself available with either hand. If I am in a position to need an NPA I won’t be the one able to insert it, therefore taking up unnecessary space on my kit.
Instead I try to recommend people use the recovery position for a patient, which is fairly successful at keeping airways clear.
with that being said, whatever medic is on your team should be carrying an aid bag with multiple sized NPA’s and lubricant, as well as NCD’s.

Most professionals don’t get NCD deployment right, or TPT properly diagnosed on sight without many years of experience.
 

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Having all sorts of great first aid equipment is wonderful. How many of you really now how to use it, without harming the patient?
that is the real question to pose,

When I say I don’t recommend almost anyone carry NCD’s or NPA’s in their IFAK’s is because I do not want some guy who took a basic red cross first aid class 4 years ago sticking me with a chest dart. I also don’t want some random inserting my NPA incorrectly either. Because items on an IFAK are what I’m supposed to be using on myself, I don’t carry those items on my IFAK and used the save space for extra hemorrhage control, extra TQ, something along those lines.
 
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