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In your scheme of things and prepping, do you account for the taking in of orphaned children and/or animals?

Everybody deals best with one age group or the other, which matters in a chaos. Orphans differ greatly too, which means pretending you don't see most and paying attention to traits fast. Kids of all ages can be some of the most ruthless and mindlessly cruel people one might encounter - imagine a group of 5 or 6 starving antifa about 15-18 and out of drugs.

Obviously street children who have lived ugly are prone to resort to it and didn't form the best bonds to begin with. You can't just take kids because they are "traumatized" or "need you" because you won't be able to carry the burden and the only purpose of taking orphans is their ability to help make it better for all. If you are going to carry useless, you need an army of useful first anyway.
Only in a worst case scenario would orphans be around anyway, but they are in ukraine now? When our govt reaches its small limit of Dixie cups, that's it? It can't even help 2 million i think? So even though there might be more resources and aid here, it will still leave many no one has anything for. How many govt ones will be sold anyway? If they can help 500,000 kids but keep taking them in, where do they go? There's only so many evangelicals.

Its something to think about that farm people always do when something big happens, because a farm can always grow more cheese and tobacco. Never enough herd gaurds. Movies always depict rural farmers taking people in....but they never depict the real rural, where the same "farmers" are all but slaving people and worse, so i would look for crops or animals anywhere offering...what's the use of you?
I could speculate all I wanted, but it will be whoever God sends, as it tends to work like that. Beware corner workers. Some will be there just to get a ride to your house so they can kill you and move in. Never allow help you can't be on top of and deal with, if they decide the same. There was an America full of dignity, honor and worthy ideals, and even then, bad times made abuses high. America is not the America of the 30s and exponentially more abuses of every kind will occur.

You say "none" now....but we haven't been where that is in nearly a hundred years and it might be wise to think about ahead of time just in case. Help is the main reason, but not the only one. A good woman with no kid can start to go kookers in a war, because "perceived hopelessness", the gnarly stuff she does see and because she "doesn't have a purpose" - a little bitty one will take care of that for you until its 5 or 6. They always get mooning for a baby before/during/after a war.
(This only applies to normal human female worth anything, that still has instincts. Not the hyenas and alley skanks that wouldn't warm up to one if you did save em)

What's your kingdoms policy on unattached outsiders? I got crops, blacksmith shop, lab, livestock and security to do. I'm not sure myself, but its something i think about the benefits and risks of
 

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We don't really have a plan. We're old folks and bugging in.
Sometimes, there doesn't have to be a plan to take in a child in desperate need.
An ancient movie comes to mind: The Night of The Hunter.
 

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I don't like kids during good times, I doubt that feeling will change during bad times.
 

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Didn't have kids for a reason. No plans of changing after 60 years. Will they just be used for recon??
Thats nice, but im not taking in one that will try to kill us - even if i think i could carry a useless, non helper - which i won't.
I just asked how much forethought people had about it? Will they mindlessly take in anything and how many will be targeting people.
Night of the hunter was about a killer of women who played the ho to rob men? Yes? Sure there will be very high mortality among prostitutes.
 
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In your scheme of things and prepping, do you account for the taking in of orphaned children and/or animals?
I venture to Craigslist often and search the site for people that need help/assistance. In December 2021, I came across a post from a woman asking for a used toy so that her daughter could get a Christmas present that year. She was currently living at a homeless shelter in NYC.

I spent that whole day on the phone trying to find out just how many children were homeless in my area. Turns out there were nearly 300 children, 12 miles away from where I reside. I wrote several articles on different platforms trying to make awareness to the problem, and come Christmas morning, of the tens of 1,000's of people that read my articles, according to the Director of those shelters, only 20 children received gifts, and those were the gifts that I personally had provided.

I have silently worked as an animal rescuer for North Shore Animal League for the past 2 decades, along with other nonprofit organizations. It is usually crossed paths with others like me, and it always seemed to be just us that were volunteering out time to help animals in need.

AndyFrank, I admire the direction of your post with the concept of helping children and animals. Me personally, I have no one left in this world and I made a personal choice long ago to be "That Guy". That Guy that helps his neighbor, 'That Guy" that goes to the aid of a person who is injured, "That Guy" who rescues an animal, or "That Guy" that takes off his wool sweater and gives it to a homeless person. None of these people know who I am, not even my 1st name, to them I am just "That Guy" that helped them to get them back on their feet again.

In my experience, if a person was going to help someone, they would have done it already, and in a SHTF situation, if they haven't helped anyone by then, surely, they are not going to help anyone with SHTF going on.

Point being, why wait. Help your fellow man, and 4 legged kindred spirits now.
 

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Everything is situational but I would like to believe that I would do everything I could to ensure lost or orphaned children ended up with their surviving family members. If it got to the point where groups were using them as scouts or even worse as has been done in conflicts like Vietnam or various countries in the War on Terror then I don't know what I would do. I would also do what I could for abandoned pets. I guess I have soft spot for helpless things.
 

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Everything is situational but I would like to believe that I would do everything I could to ensure lost or orphaned children ended up with their surviving family members. If it got to the point where groups were using them as scouts or even worse as has been done in conflicts like Vietnam or various countries in the War on Terror then I don't know what I would do. I would also do what I could for abandoned pets. I guess I have soft spot for helpless things.
FEMA has an online course for "Animals in disaster" and its easy. My thinking is that if you have animals and red cross or fema comes along, they can't say you are "untrained" and everything else they try to disable citizen-citizen aid and pass out their crap.
 

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Have learned the hard one from pals who ran off and found a new love or vice versa. The only thing harder than raising kids is trying to raise somebody elses kids. It seems to seldom work out well. Samaritan's Purse seem to be one of the best Christian endeavor's to help those needy folks of which I am aware. Would be a worthy donation for them with a few bucks.
 

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FEMA has an online course for "Animals in disaster" and its easy. My thinking is that if you have animals and red cross or fema comes along, they can't say you are "untrained" and everything else they try to disable citizen-citizen aid and pass out their crap.
I googled that course and it looks like it was designed more for responders and emergency planners than it does for citizens. I don't think FEMA would be coming for your pet, if anything happens they are going to have far greater problems to worry about.
 

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I googled that course and it looks like it was designed more for responders and emergency planners than it does for citizens. I don't think FEMA would be coming for your pet, if anything happens they are going to have far greater problems to worry about.
I have always been a professional and I dread the thought of not being one in disaster. Then you're just another "victim" to "package" and while i doubt rural will see the biggest abuses, urbans can be told "they are in shock and not thinking right" or other trick and shoved around for agency convenience. When people are what's under attack who knows what all they will pull?
Plus we have livestock and they do hate farmers? Their own certificates are harder to dismiss.
 

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Have learned the hard one from pals who ran off and found a new love or vice versa. The only thing harder than raising kids is trying to raise somebody elses kids. It seems to seldom work out well. Samaritan's Purse seem to be one of the best Christian endeavor's to help those needy folks of which I am aware. Would be a worthy donation for them with a few bucks.
I'm afraid everybody is thinking in momma mary helping terms about why and I straight up meant "if you can help around here, you don't have to be out there" terms. I think, especially with all the diversity now, people that need help are like the dopers "Everybody who took pills died?" I don't think there will be a lot of helpless begging because all the moslums and such? They sell or kill everybody. Hopeful refuge seekers that keep busy may be around?
But who knows? We have only done this before with about 1/4th the people and they were most all....American for then
 
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