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Here is a great video of a guy taking out multiple armed cops with a knife he winds up killing on ofthe cops WARNING GRAPHIC
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Man, that is a lesson in how to stir up a firestorm, and I am talking about the cops; they should have left the guy alone, unless he was wanted or insane.
If he was wanted/insane, they were non-nonchalant in the way they approached him: and if he wasn't a threat, they instigated the attack upon themselves.
Yeah, he should have surrendered and then everything would have been under control. When he pulled the knife, they should have been ready to fill his chest full of bullets.
When he rushed, they should have let him have it, that is pretty basic stuff. The cop that died must have been shocked by the ferocity of the attack, but what did he expect?
PS: Central America has murder rates that are off the charts, and nothing in America approaches their stats. Remember that when you speak to people, speak as you would be spoken to.
This is not meant as a scolding to anyone or anything, but don't treat people like trash and don't under-estimate an angry man.
That film was a travesty, but instructive, and life can be brutal.
If he was wanted/insane, they were non-nonchalant in the way they approached him: and if he wasn't a threat, they instigated the attack upon themselves.
Yeah, he should have surrendered and then everything would have been under control. When he pulled the knife, they should have been ready to fill his chest full of bullets.
When he rushed, they should have let him have it, that is pretty basic stuff. The cop that died must have been shocked by the ferocity of the attack, but what did he expect?
PS: Central America has murder rates that are off the charts, and nothing in America approaches their stats. Remember that when you speak to people, speak as you would be spoken to.
This is not meant as a scolding to anyone or anything, but don't treat people like trash and don't under-estimate an angry man.
That film was a travesty, but instructive, and life can be brutal.
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well the way I see it surprise is about the only style of MA, knife, or club fighting that is going to beat a novice with a gun pointed at you. also stopping someone doesn't mean killing them a 3 year old with a whiffle ball bat tagging the nutz will stop a guy.
don't fool yourself if your going to do something just do it bad situations are not that forgiving.
don't fool yourself if your going to do something just do it bad situations are not that forgiving.
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Shoot them. If I ever get in a situation where I can't shoot them, I've already done something wrong. My second choice would be a machete. Difficult to go all urban ninja on me if I chop off your arm. I'm a firm believer in tools. We have them, and I like to use them.
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Already lost? if you have that mentality then ya you have lost. We all agree here that hand to hand is not the best scenario but lets face it...we cant always eliminate threats 30-100 metres out. Sometimes getting in close is what it takes to survive and in that moment youll wish you had prepared for it.
For self-defense, look for something that is broad-based in approach. By that I mean strikes, grappling, groundfighting, modern weapons and preferably some real-life scenarios. It is not so important that you go very deep into any one area in the beginning; it is more important that you can survive in many different kinds of situations and/or encounters. So the key here is IDEAS. Ideas will keep you alive. The mind is the best weapon. Ideas form tactics and strategies. That is what will allow you to survive. Hence, it is better in the beginning to have basic level knowledge and skills in many different areas.
Try to acquire some boxing skills & Thai boxing for striking...some Wing Chun for really close, quick strikes(no one has better hands)...some Filipino knife & stick skills plus great footwork & empty hand drills...mix those with some grappling & groundwork...then you may want to look into these...
Try Jeet Kune Do, Krav Maga, Hock Hoccheim's system, Tony Blauer's system, Jim Wagner's system.
Hope this helps...
I HAVE TRAINED, ANALYZED, RESEARCHED, & CROSS-REFERENCED MORE THAN 36 DIFFERENT MARTIAL ART AND COMBATIVE SYSTEMS...OVER 40+ YEARS...AND HAVE BEEN TEACHING WING CHUN, FILIPINO, INDONESIAN SYSTEMS & MORE FOR MORE THAN 25...AND STILL LEARNING ON THIS JOURNEY
Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
"If you need hand to hand or a knife you already messed up and let them get to close.
You get in that kind of a fight you already lost."
Partially correct...but if you look at breakdowns in society in the past...such as Argentina or the former Yugoslavia...things happen...normal looking people walk up to you on the street in a three piece suit and rob you...you cant just shoot every normal looking person that walks up to talk with you...
Train in some form of self defense/ martial art...it will keep your movements and reflexes quick and sharp, and will do the same for your mental abilities as well...
"If you need hand to hand or a knife you already messed up and let them get to close.
You get in that kind of a fight you already lost."
Partially correct...but if you look at breakdowns in society in the past...such as Argentina or the former Yugoslavia...things happen...normal looking people walk up to you on the street in a three piece suit and rob you...you cant just shoot every normal looking person that walks up to talk with you...
Train in some form of self defense/ martial art...it will keep your movements and reflexes quick and sharp, and will do the same for your mental abilities as well...
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learned long and well many years ago. POS shit raiders , kill them, POS criminals kill them too
I have long and short arms, and know how to use them. Vamints are easy to kill as keeps
I have long and short arms, and know how to use them. Vamints are easy to kill as keeps
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I conceal carry...
hand to hand 20 years ago I could have held my own.. today, maybe if I can get it over with quickly... If I am forced into a knife fight, I will be using a empty pistol as a club
hand to hand 20 years ago I could have held my own.. today, maybe if I can get it over with quickly... If I am forced into a knife fight, I will be using a empty pistol as a club
Personal defense has a few different forms. Perhaps you are disipline and fit, in that case martial arts like Kung Fu and Krav Maga is a great option. However, if you are less fit, but you want to defend yourself well, than you should learn to attack with a firearm or knife. If you don't care about personal defense all that much, than I would reccomend a pepper spray or taser, because it is not costly and very easy to use in common self-defense scenarios.
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NO, Smitty is right, do you have any combat experience????
Well he has in the sandbox more than one tour,
I am from an earlier vintage, but still here, alive that is.
I am a qualified sniper and real good with a handgun but better with a rifle.
Put me in a field fortification,
and no one in my firelane is going to make it through.
All your cow dung poo stuff is great for the movies and for those 18-30 years
old, what the hell do you do if you are 50-80 years old???
Same answer, get real good with a gun,
don't let people walk up to you when you are out.
Keep the hell off the streets if it is SHTF here, if not off the streets,
then prepare to kill anyone you tell to keep back and does not.
At 25 feet I can put one in your throat and one in you eye socket in 3 seconds.
That is the stand off distance to give warning,
a move closer and depending on situation either draw and fire or just draw.
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The older I get, the less a Grand Jury would expect me to defend myself in hand to hand combat. If you begin to close the distance on me with an edged weapon.....Or any weapon for that matter I feel pretty comfortable in using deadly force. Not that I can't defend myself that way, I just prefer to stop the threat with as little risk to myself as possible.
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Dang this is an oldie. I dont fight. I do the continum of force.
1. Verbal commands
2. Soft hands
3. Pepper spray
4. Forty cal
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damn....i just realized where my give a damn meter pegged....
if you haven't killed anyone then you are relying on animalistic strength...that level of crazy that wins. sometimes called retard strength..... hand to hand with an untrained person is called I kill you....period....
if you haven't killed anyone then you are relying on animalistic strength...that level of crazy that wins. sometimes called retard strength..... hand to hand with an untrained person is called I kill you....period....
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I'm so sick of this idea...that you can mentally prepare for what may happen.
when I gouge out your eyes and chew through your carotid arteries....or rip your ears off and skull fuk you......you think you can prepare by reading articles?...learn to shoot instinctively at threats....then you can defend against me...until then...baaaaah.
when I gouge out your eyes and chew through your carotid arteries....or rip your ears off and skull fuk you......you think you can prepare by reading articles?...learn to shoot instinctively at threats....then you can defend against me...until then...baaaaah.
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These idiot (Antifa/blm/communist) don’t understand...
The deadliest thing in the world is a pissed off, trained, give a flying F, old guy with a gun.
They keep it up and they may find out.
The deadliest thing in the world is a pissed off, trained, give a flying F, old guy with a gun.
They keep it up and they may find out.
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My Pappy always told me never fight a man with nothing to lose. At 61 I ain't going 15 rounds with you and I could give a shit about the Marquess of Queensberry Rules. I don't give a rats ass what your cause is. I ain't never played fair and I ain't about to begin now. Before you come at me, it would be wise to ask yourself this question, "What does this old guy have to lose, and does he look like a man that would be unarmed?"
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