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I would like to here Jim's opinion of this group or if he even heard of them. He claims the English government is terrified of the Muslims and I am not sure that our government isn't afraid of the groups that are here now.

 

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When, in 2009, the United States Government decided to issue to local law enforcement a profile of the feared terrorist:
A white, Christian, Veteran, gun owning, prepper and ignored jihad and jihadist it was clear to me our current regime
has no real concern about radical islam. I don't hold islam and the Muslim world in as much contempt as others, but
I would "demand" they oppose radical islam as much as we would oppose a radical nazi or other extremist. They don't
or at least I do not see them doing so.

Europe is a series of nations with open borders. Think about that one in our immigration debate. In the Netherlands
the Islamic population has a "club" or "organization" that is the 2027 club (I think maybe its 2028 not sure) but that
is the year and they even have a "clock" that illustrates the date in which they become the majority of that nations
population.
 

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..I would like to here Jim's opinion of this group or if he even heard of them...
..Europe is a series of nations with open borders..
Yeah everybody's heard of the extreme right EDL (English Defence League) they're not a political party and don't stand in elections, they just go around waving union jacks and doing a good job protesting against Islam and our useless politicians..:)

We've also got the extreme right BNP (British National Party) over here who ARE a union jack-waving political party and the establishment is terrified of them, here's their leader Nick Griffin-


But the party who's really going places at the moment is UKIP (pronounced yookip, the United Kingdom Independence Party) who are far right but not quite as extreme as the others, check out their leader Nigel Farage kicking european politicians butts-


Sadly, America hasn't got any such far-right firebrand parties and the US political system is therefore to a large degree stagnant and revolves around the Dems and Reps which aren't all that different from each other.
 

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Thanks for the response, looks like democracies all over the world are under attack, and most won't even acknowledge who the enemies are.
 

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Thanks for the response, looks like democracies all over the world are under attack, and most won't even acknowledge who the enemies are.
The enemies are the sheeple in our own countries who go on voting for the same useless politicians and parties year after year; some do it out of misplaced "loyalty", some do it because they're lefty traitors and/or commies and many do it because they're just plain cuckoo.

Teddy Roosevelt's words apply equally to sheeple in America and Britain-
"A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user"
"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month"

Theodore Roosevelt Quotes - BrainyQuote
 

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Not just the democracies but even out republic. In Europe they believe that democracy is a good thing, well it is a bit better than socialism but it is only one popular vote away from socialism or any other type of governance. In our republic we have rights that are supposed to be protected by our government yet the government is slowly taking those rights away from us. The latest ramp-up of the attacks on the first mendment have even shocked the liberal media yet no one looks at the whole piture.

We are losing our rights - all of them - at a record rate. Our privacy no longer exists, our right to assemble no longer exists, Our right to free press no longer exists. The right of habeas corpus no longer exists, we no longer have the right not to convict ourselves, and people wonder why we are so adamant about new restrictions on our right to keep and bear arms. The only right that has not yet been attacked in the third amendment and yet the government can use the devices in our homes to spy on us so why would they need to put a soldier into our homes?
 

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I fell into the same trap that just about everyone does by calling us a democracy. We are a republic and supposed to be a nation of laws, not ruled by popular vote.
 

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Thanks for the videos Jim! I have been following Nigel Farage for a couple of years and cannot get enough of his speeches! I wish we had a couple American versions of him here.
 

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Incidentally Farage was in this plane crash in 2010 but walked away with minor injuries, it was towing a "Vote UKIP" banner and the pilot messed up



 

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Thanks for the videos Jim! I have been following Nigel Farage for a couple of years and cannot get enough of his speeches! I wish we had a couple American versions of him here.
Yes I'm not an expert on US politics but it seems your system is just a two-horse race (Reps and Dems), with no fire-breathing dynamic opposition parties, so you don't have much elbow room and are therefore more or less railroaded into voting Rep/Dem. (I wouldn't vote for either of them myself).
These were the Parties at the last Pres Election-


 

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Yes I'm not an expert on US politics but it seems your system is just a two-horse race (Reps and Dems), with no fire-breathing dynamic opposition parties, so you don't have much elbow room and are therefore more or less railroaded into voting Rep/Dem. (I wouldn't vote for either of them myself).

That is why Obama, Democrats and rhino Republicans are against the tea party to the point that government agencies seek them out. Because they have a lot of the same ideals as your Independence Party.
 

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Yes I'm not an expert on US politics but it seems your system is just a two-horse race (Reps and Dems), with no fire-breathing dynamic opposition parties, so you don't have much elbow room and are therefore more or less railroaded into voting Rep/Dem. (I wouldn't vote for either of them myself).

That is why Obama, Democrats and rhino Republicans are against the tea party to the point that government agencies seek them out. Because they have a lot of the same ideals as your Independence Party.
Now if only the Libertarians and the Tea Partier's would form an alliance (which seems a natural evolution to me) perhaps the moderates and independants would finally have a palatable party to get behind.
 
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