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I think at this point, Obama has accomplished what he set out to do, that is destroy the health system that has worked for decades in this country. There is no way to go back anymore since the insurance companies are now firmly under the control of this administration. They may moan and complain, but they do this knowing that the Feds plan to bail them out just like they did the banks and GM. That worked out pretty well for us, didn't it?

To add insult to injury, we will all pay much higher rates and on top of that have our tax dollars used to maintain these companies. The bail out is written in the 2500 pages of regulations that nobody read before passing the Bill.

The next phase of his plan is the institution of the government controlled SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. If figure some time in 2015...
 

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Beyond Obama care it's self. I am wondering when we are coming to take a good look at how our King can change laws at will.
I have always said Obama care was the wrong approach,unworkable and designed to fail.
Obama care is the law good or bad. If it is bad then it needs to be changed with in the law. Not at the whim of a King.
Obama care can be repealed it can be tweeted it can have a lot of things happen good or bad we may survive it.
We can not survive a King changing laws at his will.
 

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After 40 years as a nurse at the hospital my wife retired and lost the great insurance she had and had to buy a plan which was crap, at her age it is hard to get a good plan. It had a $5000 deductible $25 co-pay, $50 specialist co-pay, no dental or vision and $495 a month.

The other day she went too the obamacare web page to see what she could get. Boy did it work out well for us. qualified for the tax deduction of $512 a month to help pay the premium's. She got the platinum level plan thru blue cross blue shield $490 premium payment a month, $2000 deductible, full dental, $10 co-pay, $15 dollar specialist co-pay, pays for generic prescriptions. All co-pays go towards the deduction. So if it had not been for the tax deduction that pays part of the premium we would not have been able to get such a good plan for her.

She is needing surgery and we were trying to get it in before the end of the year so our $5000 deductible that is almost paid would be used to not have to start over after the 1st. but was not having much luck due too the surgeon going on vacation for the holidays. now no worry we can wait until after the first.

Obamacare worked for us.
 

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Head line Obama signs up for AHA.
Now the truth.
His staff signed him up
They did not do it on line because his personal information would not be secure
He did not really sign up.

By the way those low rates are teaser rates wait till renewal time.
 

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I'm sorry to fly in the face of what most on here like to believe, but ObamaCare's basic concept was good. It was intended to basically be a law that required every man, woman, and child to have health insurance. It was believed that with this influx of new customers, the rates would go down, as insurance is a concept in which risk is spread out over all members of the insurance. The problem AHA was the execution, and the bloating of the bill to try and accommodate everyone. I believe that in its current form, ObamaCare is a massive failure that could have been well received, but they dropped the ball.

Again, sorry for not being an Obama basher, and for not believing that everything is his fault. Politics are about compromise. Give a little, get a little. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes... not so much.
 

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I believe this will be left to the next regime be it hildas or chripies.

I think at this point, Obama has accomplished what he set out to do, that is destroy the health system that has worked for decades in this country. There is no way to go back anymore since the insurance companies are now firmly under the control of this administration. They may moan and complain, but they do this knowing that the Feds plan to bail them out just like they did the banks and GM. That worked out pretty well for us, didn't it?

To add insult to injury, we will all pay much higher rates and on top of that have our tax dollars used to maintain these companies. The bail out is written in the 2500 pages of regulations that nobody read before passing the Bill.

The next phase of his plan is the institution of the government controlled SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. If figure some time in 2015...
 

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No need to be sorry, Merry Christmas, but I disagree.

1) There was a system in place for those without insurance. They just don't like it. Its called the "county hospital" around here. Now if they had argued we need to spend more on the system for the indigent I would have agreed for its not a great system. However obamacre's intention was to give those who used this system access to the middle class system instead.

2) You do realize what obama care has done right? It means if you are 26-50 years old or so you could choose to pay a small fine on your taxes that will go to the government, and when you start feeling ugly and go to the doctor and he says "biopsy" for the cancer you can then start paying $400 a month for health insurance. Meanwhile the health insurance company will be required to give you $250k to $1 million in treatments just like you were their long held customer. Please explain to me in a capitalist system how that works? Its no different then calling your insurance agent and asking for extra fire coverage after the fire.

3) And last, now that the poor and indigent are being given access to the middle class health care system there is an issue with supply and demand - you see there was an issue of supply and demand before which is why costs go up. Now its only going to be even bigger, and your waits even longer, but if you want to feel good about caring for all those who could have gone to the county hospital at your hospital I guess its fine.

I'm sorry to fly in the face of what most on here like to believe, but ObamaCare's basic concept was good. It was intended to basically be a law that required every man, woman, and child to have health insurance. It was believed that with this influx of new customers, the rates would go down, as insurance is a concept in which risk is spread out over all members of the insurance. The problem AHA was the execution, and the bloating of the bill to try and accommodate everyone. I believe that in its current form, ObamaCare is a massive failure that could have been well received, but they dropped the ball.

Again, sorry for not being an Obama basher, and for not believing that everything is his fault. Politics are about compromise. Give a little, get a little. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes... not so much.
 

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My understanding of the "no insurance tax" is they can only levy it if you have a refund on your tax return coming, so if you get no refund (i.e. underpay your taxes which you should be doing) then they cannot "fine" you for not having insurance.

At this point I do not plan on having insurance, or having a tax refund. If for some reason I get some incurable disease which is unlikely since I am young, almost underweight, and in good physical condition. But IF I get some cancer or something that needs extensive care I will THEN apply and since I can't be turned down, I'll pay the stupid assed rates then and save money both before and after.
 

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Yes this Liberal Utopian idea is gonna be a fun ride for the Tax payers of America. Its also gonna successfully get us to the single payer system that they so wanted and knew they could never get unless they first destroyed the existing system so bad there is no other choice. I guess at least Obama can now say he accomplished something...
 

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I don't blame you, but that's why the insurance companies are doomed. Which is what ofailure wants so you can depend on the grubbynitt

My understanding of the "no insurance tax" is they can only levy it if you have a refund on your tax return coming, so if you get no refund (i.e. underpay your taxes which you should be doing) then they cannot "fine" you for not having insurance.

At this point I do not plan on having insurance, or having a tax refund. If for some reason I get some incurable disease which is unlikely since I am young, almost underweight, and in good physical condition. But IF I get some cancer or something that needs extensive care I will THEN apply and since I can't be turned down, I'll pay the stupid assed rates then and save money both before and after.
 

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At this point I do not plan on having insurance, or having a tax refund. If for some reason I get some incurable disease which is unlikely since I am young, almost underweight, and in good physical condition. But IF I get some cancer or something that needs extensive care I will THEN apply and since I can't be turned down, I'll pay the stupid assed rates then and save money both before and after.
Prior to September 2008 I felt the same, worked out in a gym 6 days a week ate all the right foods, ran 3 miles every morning.
Then I started feeling weak to appoint I could not walk across my yard without stopping. So I go to a couple doctors one does a colonoscopy, guess what tumor of the sigmoid colon. In surgery for 5 hours, they found the tumor had also attached my bladder. After chemo and a month later it came back they sent me to moffitt cancer research center in Tampa.
Spent a month in there , they did a stem cell/ bone marrow transplant. I was not given a good chance of making it. It took a year long battle but I beat it. The point is my insurance paid moffitt 1 1/2 million dollars for that one month. If I had not have had insurance I would be dead today.
So make all your bravado remarks and show what a tough guy you can be just pray to god you do not ever come down with Cancer. and if you wait until you are sick you may not have time to get insured, I went from the room where the colonoscopy was done to being admitted and surgery 2 days later.
I am not a fan of Obama and never will be but his plan got my wife insured.
 

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Prior to September 2008 I felt the same, worked out in a gym 6 days a week ate all the right foods, ran 3 miles every morning.
Then I started feeling weak to appoint I could not walk across my yard without stopping. So I go to a couple doctors one does a colonoscopy, guess what tumor of the sigmoid colon. In surgery for 5 hours, they found the tumor had also attached my bladder. After chemo and a month later it came back they sent me to moffitt cancer research center in Tampa.
Spent a month in there , they did a stem cell/ bone marrow transplant. I was not given a good chance of making it. It took a year long battle but I beat it. The point is my insurance paid moffitt 1 1/2 million dollars for that one month. If I had not have had insurance I would be dead today.
So make all your bravado remarks and show what a tough guy you can be just pray to god you do not ever come down with Cancer. and if you wait until you are sick you may not have time to get insured, I went from the room where the colonoscopy was done to being admitted and surgery 2 days later.
I am not a fan of Obama and never will be but his plan got my wife insured.
You miss my point, under the "NEW" plan I can get that cancer and apply for Obama care with that condition and get the coverage and WHEE not get turned down.

I get the treatment, and I get the insurance, but under this insane plan I don't NEED to have it until I need it, it is lunacy.

IF your wife's insurance costs will be less than her medical costs this year then good for you, if not, why not wait to get the "insurance" (better to call it assurance) until you actually need it (i.e. the cost of medical treatment is more than the cost of the assurance)?

And if most people have the basic skills to do the math, why would anyone sign up unless they expect their medical expenses to exceed their insurance costs?

My thinking is the system was designed to implode, destroy the health insurance industry, destroy the medical industry, and take us to single payer.
 

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You miss my point, under the "NEW" plan I can get that cancer and apply for Obama care with that condition and get the coverage and WHEE not get turned down.

I get the treatment, and I get the insurance, but under this insane plan I don't NEED to have it until I need it, it is lunacy.

IF your wife's insurance costs will be less than her medical costs this year then good for you, if not, why not wait to get the "insurance" (better to call it assurance) until you actually need it (i.e. the cost of medical treatment is more than the cost of the assurance)?

And if most people have the basic skills to do the math, why would anyone sign up unless they expect their medical expenses to exceed their insurance costs?

My thinking is the system was designed to implode, destroy the health insurance industry, destroy the medical industry, and take us to single payer.
Her insurance costs will now be a lot less than what the surgery would costs us without it.
 

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All I can say as a man surviving lung cancer is I didn't have insurance for 35 years of self employment and being classed as uninsurable. Now I turned 65 a couple of years ago and saw a doctor in a regular visits once I qualified for the real government insurance Medicare. Lucky for me they discovered my cancer early enough to cure it however without the medicare I would be dead today. Oh and for those that don't know Medicare isn't free either as you pay a monthly charge for it as well as needing a supplemental to offset what it doesn't pay to drug costs.
 

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Under Obama care if you know you have a serious illness or you get one you show up sign up for the top plan small deductible they can not turn you down.
The plan was to bring all health insurance to it's knees giving Obama control over 1/6 to 1/5 of the economy.
Many of us will be cut off from car under his plan it is happening all ready
Medicaid will be broke under Obama care as it was suppose to be, he took all the cash out of it gave it away and now expects the rest of us to pay it back again.
Before Obama care you could buy a plan in Wisconsin 1500 deductible then 80/20 split for 100 a month. Now that plan is against the law .
The replacement is 259 a month 5000 deductible, only a few doctors you can see and you can only see a real doctor 3 times a year.
The States that set up exchanges will be stuck paying for the medicaid losses. Obama knew it.
When he said you can keep your doctor you can keep your plan, he knew he was full of it.
 
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All I can say as a man surviving lung cancer is I didn't have insurance for 35 years of self employment and being classed as uninsurable. Now I turned 65 a couple of years ago and saw a doctor in a regular visits once I qualified for the real government insurance Medicare. Lucky for me they discovered my cancer early enough to cure it however without the medicare I would be dead today. Oh and for those that don't know Medicare isn't free either as you pay a monthly charge for it as well as needing a supplemental to offset what it doesn't pay to drug costs.
I have a supplement that pays 100 percent of what Medicare does not. Love it. Last month I had to have a spinal column stimulator placed in my back, cost to me ,zero, cost to Medicare and my supplement, $154,647. love It.
 

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Well Obama said that we, "federal law enforcement" have Cadillac benefits and we are going to have to lose some of those benefits are pay more to maintain what we have. We already took a cut in pay and in our retirement. The first thing we received was an electronic letter with required an electronic signature stating we received the letter and that we understood that we are going to "Obamacare." It looks like i will be going from $847 a month for Blue Cross/Blue Shield to $1400 a month for a to be announced provider.
 

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I wish I could get a policy for $259 per month! I just wrote out the check yesterday. I am paying a touch over $935 per month for Mrs Inor and myself. And that is with a $6500 deductible. In 2010 (before Obama fixed it), I was paying $280 per month with a $4500 deductible. How is this Obamacare good for me again?
 
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