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betting we have had that covered for a long time. Just a feeling , Not any inside info. But I would put some cash on that bet.
 

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North Korea has rockets that they recently put a satellite into orbit. That same rocket could deliver a bomb anywhere in the world. The best use of a nuclear warhead would be to detonate it in space over a populated region - like DC or NY. The radiation and blast would be non-existant but the EMP would devestate a large area. All electronics that are not protected would go down, all electric motors and generators in use would be down, transformers and power grids down, etc. There would be a lot more damage than a dirct blast on DC for comparison.
 

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..The radiation and blast would be non-existant but the EMP would devestate a large area. All electronics that are not protected would go down, all electric motors and generators in use would be down, transformers and power grids down, etc. There would be a lot more damage than a dirct blast on DC for comparison.
Yeah but at least the damage from an EMP [noobs- it stands for ElectroMagnetic Pulse from a nuke bomb] will be fixed by the Govt in time, so all we have to do is sit tight for a week or two living off our food and water supplies.
The military have shielded most of their electronics so they won't be affected.
So the only thing that Nth Korea would have achieved would be to knock out our TV's, radios and the power grid for a short while, and it's just not worth their while because America's response against NK would be devastating.
 

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Yeah but at least the damage from an EMP [noobs- it stands for ElectroMagnetic Pulse from a nuke bomb] will be fixed by the Govt in time, so all we have to do is sit tight for a week or two living off our food and water supplies.
The military have shielded most of their electronics so they won't be affected.
So the only thing that Nth Korea would have achieved would be to knock out our TV's, radios and the power grid for a short while, and it's just not worth their while because America's response against NK would be devastating.
Maybe you don't watch the news much. Area's hit by Sandy were out of power for months. So much for govt intervention. Sandy took out power in a relative small area. Afterwards parts of NYC had power and others didn't. Now an EMP would cover a much larger area. Instead of just taking down the power it would also wipe hard drives in the financial capital. The power surge would also travel on the power lines causing damage much farther out. Food storage would be all but nonexistent.

So you loose all power from a several state area. What do you do with the refugee's? Katrina took out a relative small area. Do you remember what happened with the refugee's from New Orleans? It was not a pretty sight. Now expand that from one large city to many large cities, intermediate cities and a large quantity of small towns. The effects of this would be devastating to the entire country.
 

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...Maybe you don't watch the news much. Area's hit by Sandy were out of power for months...
Yeah but EMP is completely different.
During a hurricane there's a whole lotta shaking going on as it goes on a wrecking spree by felling power lines, ripping out poles and pylons etc, so the physical damage takes a while to repair, but an EMP lasts only a split second and only pops electronics. We wouldn't even know one had happened until we tried to switch on the TV, lights and toaster etc and found they wouldn't work.
The power companies would have to replace all the fried electronic stuff on the grid after an EMP but at least it wouldn't take as long as fixing hurri damage.
Militarily speaking, an EMP weapon would achieve nothing in the long run so I can't foresee a scenario in which N. Korea or anybody else would use one against Uncle Sam
 

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..if they [NK] werent a threat, than why would Obama put 14 anti missile systems along the Western USA?..
Defence Sec Hagel said-
"Our policy is to stay ahead of the threat - and to continue to ensure that we are ahead of any potential future Iranian or North Korean ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) capability"..

So it makes sense to stay ahead of the game because both NK and Iran are run by crackpot dictators and you can never tell what a crackpot will do next.
For example Ahmedinejad (or whatever his bloody name is) has already threatened a while back to put the Iranian Navy just offshore of America from where they could blitz US coastal cities with gunfire and assorted missiles-

 

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Yeah but EMP is completely different.
During a hurricane there's a whole lotta shaking going on as it goes on a wrecking spree by felling power lines, ripping out poles and pylons etc, so the physical damage takes a while to repair, but an EMP lasts only a split second and only pops electronics. We wouldn't even know one had happened until we tried to switch on the TV, lights and toaster etc and found they wouldn't work.
The power companies would have to replace all the fried electronic stuff on the grid after an EMP but at least it wouldn't take as long as fixing hurri damage.
Militarily speaking, an EMP weapon would achieve nothing in the long run so I can't foresee a scenario in which N. Korea or anybody else would use one against Uncle Sam
Yeah, your probably right. This country runs almost entirely on electronics. With most of the controls being electronic the govt would have enough stuff stockpiled to replace everything. All the power equipment for the main controls, no problem. All the hard drives that would be wiped could be recreated in a manner of hours. All the electronic components in cars. The govt will have them up and running in no time. Transportation of food and other essentials, that's a no brainer, the govt would take care of that in the blink of an eye.

So yeah, an EMP event would be no problem to deal with.

And can you imagine why the govt would publish this paper just to scare people? How insensitive.

http://www.ferc.gov/industries/elec...lity/cybersecurity/ferc_executive_summary.pdf

In 210 USA Today even got in on the act. I guess they enjoy taunting people too.

One EMP burst and the world goes dark - USATODAY.com
 

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To protect our radios and Star Trek DVD's etc from EMP we can simply wrap them in kitchen foil or store them in a Faraday cage, an old disused microwave would do.
On a larger scale there are actually EMP-proof tin sheds and storage boxes for sale in which we can store backup radios,TV's, DVD's and stuff.
On an even larger scale we can bet that a lot of Govt and military buildings that house sensitive computers and electronic stuff are Faraday cages themselves, probably with mesh-lined walls, ceilings and floors.

 

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Nobody - including the counties, states and federal governments have enough spare transformers to replace even ten pecent of them in even one county. The EMP would destroy transformers at sub-stations and the generators at all power plants. It would destroy all the pole mounted and buried transformers in the affected area. It won't "wipe" the hard drives (unless they are working or solid state drives) it will destroy the electronics that use them. The computers in the new cars and trucks would be destroyed and the motors that are used to pump fuel would all be fried too.

You can't build new generators and transformers without electricity. If just one third of the country were affected by an EMP it would take years to get it back up and running. If the whole country were affected it would take decades. That is decades without fuel, electricity, natural gas, transportation or communications.

An EMP attack would be far worse than any natural disaster we have experienced since 1890. It would not kill many people (those dependent on electronic devices and those flying when it hit) but the hunger, thirst and cold that followed would kill a larger number of people than a nuclear attack on NY.

The EMP doesn't make it cold - we just wouldn't have the means to keep warm when the weather turned cold. Businesses would not be able to perform so they would shut down.
 
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...An EMP attack would be far worse than any natural disaster we have experienced since 1890. It would not kill many people (those dependent on electronic devices and those flying when it hit) but the hunger, thirst and cold that followed would kill a larger number of people than a nuclear attack on NY..
Yeah but preppers needn't worry about EMP because we'd just hunker down at home and ride it out til the Govt fixed the power grid..:)
As for the military, most of their stuff is shielded against EMP, so if NK launched an EMP-bomb it'd serve no purpose in the long run.
At the moment military analysts think NK doesn't have a missile with enough range to hit mainland US, but if they did have one it'd still have to get through the Alaskan anti-missile SAM batteries-



News item- March 16th 2013- Hagel said the Pentagon would add 14 new anti-missile interceptors at Fort Greely in Alaska
Experts say North Korea is years away from being able to hit the continental United States with a nuclear weapon, despite having worked for decades to achieve a nuclear capability.
U.S. to bolster missile defenses to counter North Korea threat: Hagel | Reuters


That's why NK might decide instead to creep up on Frisco to drop a nuke on the seabed on a time fuse, or put sabotage squads ashore.
 

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To protect our radios and Star Trek DVD's etc from EMP we can simply wrap them in kitchen foil or store them in a Faraday cage, an old disused microwave would do.
On a larger scale there are actually EMP-proof tin sheds and storage boxes for sale in which we can store backup radios,TV's, DVD's and stuff.
On an even larger scale we can bet that a lot of Govt and military buildings that house sensitive computers and electronic stuff are Faraday cages themselves, probably with mesh-lined walls, ceilings and floors.

Maybe now, Mrs. Inor will finally see fit to letting me put the cat in the microwave???
 

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I hate both of these koreans, but this pic made me laugh.

 

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The repairs to damage from an all out EMP attack would take decades. All of the generators in the power plants would have to be replaced, all of the transformers would have to be replaced (that means those transformers on your poles, the ones underground and the ones in the substations), Any electrical gear that was on at the time would have to be replaced and all electronic devices whether they were on or not would have to be replaced.

How do you go about replacing all that when there is no power to begin with? VERY SLOWLY! it would take 15 to 20 years to replace it all and 100s of trillions of dollars.
How long can you "hunker down"?
 

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NK's bombs apparently are fairly small yeild under 10 kt --- I think you are thinking more about MT class bombs in terms of EMP distance. It is still signifigant. If NK does decide to do it, it will be more than one missile it will probably be almost all misiles and leveling sk with arillery then engaging ground forces in hardened possition in a rapid follow up within south korea in an attempt to sheild themselves in south korean cities as opposed to north korean cities, that is if the war is to be won. the key will be to eradicate as much of commercial south korea as possible, and to hit at US military bases and Japan, because Japan will come after NK along with the US. If china were not in the equation seeking to take out space capbiity by launching debris /ball berings into space to take out the NEO and prevent any space launches or degrade them would degrade US missile capacity such as minute man due to debris feild in space, although it is a very large area but multiple space launches could create a very strung out field of debris for days or weeks or longer. a ball bering in space can knock out a satalite, especially if it is made of uranium. Not ony this but the uranium would also add to enviornmental contamination like all the Depleted uranium rounds the US used in Iraq and Libya.

I don't think anyone wants to beleive it will happen, and anti missile defence designed to counter china and russia should not be underestimated. however if they go off their only means is to launch an all out attack because they will be hit back within an hour, within minutes a response will likely occur since pentagon and south korea probably already made up orders based on a given situation, which means that if anything falls into that it will be a chain reaction. south korea is only at watchcom 3 and us at defcon 4 so they probably don't place the threat level very high, but there is an increased risk.

It feels like it will happen, but the mind does not want to believe it could happen due to the sheer magnitude of destruction and rapidity to which it must occur. The cost will be massive for the US and south korea, and I mean massive just in the missile costs alone in defending a full out attack, not counting collatoral destruction from the initial north korean attacks.

This thing will be decided in a week but the fallout could take months to do..

I think it is in north koreas interest to do an all out attack if it plans on maintain juche and isolationism, which is more or less being forced them into a peasant state by sanction. which will bite overtime, especially without funds.

I would say there is a 55% chance of something happening between today and the 16th.

None the less......... it is hard love.

NK should do an all out attack, but I find it hard to beleive anyone is willing to commit the single largest deathtoll in the history of mankind, it is quite a legacy for Kim Un if he opts to try to fight the war. I think NK will win the first battle but it is hard to beleive how they can take on nato and japan on their own. Due to their stockpiles and resources available.

They could drag them down with geurilla war though. It would ruin natos/us long term outlooks so Kim or what remains of the party could drag the US down or some time, but I suspect the US would implement psyops and misinformation to take over the population like the 1991 coupe and what not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_altitude_EMP.gif

I really do think it was ignorant of the US and south korea to launch such massive and long term war games along the border.

Now I guess they have real war games. Guess it is like free training courtesy North Korea.

The whole if you do it, it will be a provocation, which violates the armistice.

6. Neither side shall execute any hostile act within, from, or against the demilitarized zone.

The standing rules of engagement (SROE) of the CJCS give commanders direction on the use of force in self-defense against a hostile act or hostile intent.

The use of force in self-defense must be necessary and limited to the amount needed to eliminate the threat and control the situation.
Deadly force should only be used in response to a hostile act or a demonstration of hostile intent.

It seems fairly clear the war games such as the b52 and b2 flights were hostile acts since they bombed north korean waters, which subs may have been present in, and represented and signified a nuclear bombing operation.

Now I'm not saying North Korea didn't also do things that could be deemed a threat, no one wants to beleive there is a hostile intent. The US actively pinging off its axis of evil list which north korea is on, probably does have reason to fear us invasion. as it recently happened to afghanistan, iraq, libya and now syria. who else is on the export ban list other than north korea and china and iran?
 
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