[thegtwyo86]

Hi everyone
I own a few guns and sold some of them so I could consolidate the ammo I need down to 4 or 5 different rounds.i was thinking of getting my wife a 9mm of some sort. But I've never shot any other handgun round rifle other than a hipoint 9mm and it was a good shooter but I didn't like the mags you had to buy for it. I was thinking of getting a kel tec sub 2000 in 9mm so the ammo will match the handguns I already have. Do any of you have experience with this gun.also in considering getting the kel tec su16 for myself. Just looking for some info on these.
Thanks James.

 

[Fuzzee]

I used and sold them. There a lower build quality gun in my opinion. Weak points especially at the receiver fold joints and the front sight. Most I've used have been reliable enough, but that's all fun gun stuff which is where they should be kept to me. The best current 9mm carbine to me is the Beretta CX4, of which I've owned 2. As fun as they are to shoot, any 9mm carbine in a real defensive role is a pistol caliber rifle being used where a real rifle caliber should be. When you need to grab a rifle, grab a rifle with enough punch basically. If she can handle an AR-15 or other .223/5.56x45mm carbine/rifle, than it's the better choice to me. You'll find that a popular opinion. If she can't though and a 9mm carbine is what she can, than so be it. It's still better than a pistol when you need a rifle.

cx4storm beretta - semiautomatic carbine

 

[Gunner's Mate]

you can get a 9 mm in an AR 15 Platform Other calibers available include the 5.56mm / 223 and the 6.5 grendel, the 7.62x39 and the 6.8 spc. Please keep in mind that an ar 15 is one extremely adaptable platform from CQB 16 inch carbine to a long range Precision 24 in rifle, Another option might be an uzi or MP 5 semi auto if they are available in Semi auto

 

[Infidel]

If you're looking for a rifle, then obviously you're looking to reach out and still have some punch, I think the .223/5.56 excels as a light rifle. It'll let you reach out well past the 9mm carbines and still have enough energy left to deal with any threat that may arise. Any semi-auto .223 should be manageable for her as recoil is minimal, weight might be an issue for her though but I can't imagine it would be much better with a 9mm carbine. I get the commonality of ammo angle but for my money if I'm going to carry a rifle I want a rifle cartridge in the chamber not a handgun cartridge. I might change that opinion if I was guaranteed that any engagements would be less than 100yds but there's no way to guarantee that.

-Infidel

 

[alterego]

I have seen some supper nice little rifles that shoot magnum handgun rounds, I.E. .357 magnum and .44 magnum, the reason that these are a terrible idea is the rounds are very expensive.

What do you want the rifle for. Shooting squirrel, the obvious answer is a .22 L.R. rifle and handgun.

Shooting deer, none of the above is a great deer round, ( I don't want to hear from you about your .44 .357 etc etc great deer rifle bullshit, it is barely sufficient, I have used .44 mag on several white tail, it was barely sufficient)

Personal defense, and hunting, a .22 magnum is a mid range expense round, it will get by for a personal defense handgun round, makes a fantastic small game round, and it is the preferred deer poaching round.

You choose.

 

[PrepConsultant]

I have seen some supper nice little rifles that shoot magnum handgun rounds, I.E. .357 magnum and .44 magnum, the reason that these are a terrible idea is the rounds are very expensive.

What do you want the rifle for. Shooting squirrel, the obvious answer is a .22 L.R. rifle and handgun.

Shooting deer, none of the above is a great deer round, ( I don't want to hear from you about your .44 .357 etc etc great deer rifle bullshit, it is barely sufficient, I have used .44 mag on several white tail, it was barely sufficient)

Personal defense, and hunting, a .22 magnum is a mid range expense round, it will get by for a personal defense handgun round, makes a fantastic small game round, and it is the preferred deer poaching round.

You choose.

I have killed many a deer with a .22 mag and the big brother on steroids the 22 hornet..Back in the day.. Now I prefer a little bigger punch that I am older and wiser... And don't poach anymore either.. Although it's not beneath me to take one from the side of the road still..Although, even that has been several years..

 

[paraquack]

My wife loves her Springfield Arms XD9 (4"). Frequently they have a deal for 2-3 extra mags when you send in coupon. OH, they also have a free left hand holster if you call them. While my wife can handle the 20 ga. rem. 1100 LT, she prefers the AR-15 (.223/5.56) because of light weight, and little recoil.

 

[thegtwyo86]

Ok thanks guys
I have been thinking of building/buying an ar for sometime now. my friend has went through a few of them.so I have had a lot of chances to shoot everything from the 5.7 upper,standard ar15 to an ar10. The recoil IMO is nothing compared to my old ak47 I use to have a few years back. My only issue right now with an ar15 is not being able to buy the lowers and uppers I want without waiting 6-8 months to get one. I was also considering getting another ak47 because, I knew it like the back of my hand and the ammo is almost half the price of .223/556. I'm sure she can handle the recoil and get use to the gun after enough practice with it. But I'm still at a crossroads though......

 

[Leon]

VZ58 or CZ58 they have great punch, great accuracy and are smaller than a ruger 10/22 only three pounds

 

[SDF880]

I have 2 of the chrome Sub2000's and they have been perfect for me no issues at all. I like they can take the extended Glock mags and that gives' me 33+1.
I also have a KT SU-16 that I converted to an E model and it too has been flawless after 300 rounds or so thru it. I also have several other KelTec products and
they certainly work for me, your mileage may vary?

 

[71Chevrolet]

If you are wanting to stick with 9 mm I suggest a Marlin camp 9 (camp carbine)

Best regards, Mike

 

[thegtwyo86]

I've always liked the camp 9s what mags do they use

 

[71Chevrolet]

I've always liked the camp 9s what mags do they use

Dad uses the oem mag, but I do believe the S&W 59 series mags work as well.

 

[roy]

Why bother with a rifle that shoots a pistol cartridge?

 

[Fuzzee]

Ok thanks guys
I have been thinking of building/buying an ar for sometime now. my friend has went through a few of them.so I have had a lot of chances to shoot everything from the 5.7 upper,standard ar15 to an ar10. The recoil IMO is nothing compared to my old ak47 I use to have a few years back. My only issue right now with an ar15 is not being able to buy the lowers and uppers I want without waiting 6-8 months to get one. I was also considering getting another ak47 because, I knew it like the back of my hand and the ammo is almost half the price of .223/556. I'm sure she can handle the recoil and get use to the gun after enough practice with it. But I'm still at a crossroads though......

Are you looking for very specific uppers and lowers or just good quality because there are quite a few available options on the net if you're fine with online/out of state businesses and transfers for the lower/rifle. Here's an example of complete rifle options in stock with Buds, one of the biggest around.

Buy Stag Arms at BudsGunShop

Buy Armalite Rifles, AR15, AR-15

Buy Bravo Company USA at BudsGunShop

Buy Colt Rifles

Buy Core 15 at BudsGunShop

Buy Daniel Defense at BudsGunShop

Buy Rock River Arms

Buy M&P 15 Rifles at BudsGunShop

:smile:

 

[Meangreen]

For the wife I would suggest a AR-15 because it is light, low recoil, and with a pistol grip and charging handle, easy to manipulate. I have had bad luck with Kel-Tec and couldn't recommend them.

 

[thegtwyo86]

Thanks for the links I haven't been to that web sight before. I was looking for spikes tactical lowers but the prices have gone down enough I can just buy a whole gun for what I was going to build one for....Out of all of the brands which one would you suggest? My friend had a rock river arms ar and never had any issues with it and his 5.7ar had a spikes tactical lower in it.
Thanks again
James

 

[thegtwyo86]

For the wife I would suggest a AR-15 because it is light, low recoil, and with a pistol grip and charging handle, easy to manipulate. I have had bad luck with Kel-Tec and couldn't recommend them.

Ok thanks for the input. I don't think she would have any issues with An ar15. I just want something for her that she will actually want to go out and shoot and get good with and not hate every time she had to use it. She hates my old ak47 lol..

 

[Fuzzee]

All the brands listed make good AR's. I prefer piston AR's myself these days because of the cleaning and maintenance differences, but a direct impingement (standard) AR-15 is still a very solid weapon. Which one really depends on what you want. For high quality for the money in a standard DI I know I'd personally choose a Stag. Stag is part of CMT which makes a huge amount of parts that other manufacturer's use to build AR's off of. I've been very particular about using CMT parts for builds over these years because I know what I'm getting. Quality. I prefer flat top receivers and a railed block to be able to put what sights on I prefer best, but a model SA1 Stag is just a simple straightforward, traditional AR-15 with steel front sight post and an A2 carrying handle rear sight that makes an excellent and light AR-15 for starting user.

STAG SA1 Right Hand A3 STD SAFETY $855.00 SHIPS FREE

For nice complete piston AR choice, I'd have to go with an Adams Arms complete rifle or a S&W M&P15 piston AR.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+M&P+Semi-Automatic+223+Remington5.56+NATO+30

I suggest you look at all the various choices though, read up on options and think about the direction you'd like to go with one, cost and end goal.

 

[thegtwyo86]

I like this one...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/411543563/stag_arms_sa3_right_hand_556_x_45_(223)

What is that maintenance/reliability like on a non piston ar and how many rounds can be put through one before cycling issues start happening?