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The idea that a Christian must die for their faith is beyond comprehension in our country. But that mind set is a big disadvantage when considering the real scriptural teachings of Islam. No one should die just for being a Muslim but neither should Islam be considered a religion. Any book that tells its followers that they must kill or demand a person renounce their religion is not a religion. Islam is the satan and Muslims the followers of pure evil.

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The difference being who started the conflict and who was following the dictates if Scripture rather than seeking human power.

Islam does not necessarily insist that Christians die. The do, however, insist that they "submit" including paying the tax. That there are Christian factions existing in most Muslim lands suggests that they can coexist, but as Islam radicalizes Christians begin to suffer.

We should note that of all people, Islam hates worst the infidel who has no faith in monotheistic god. Makes it rather ironic that so many secularists and atheists seem to support the general Islamic condition. I believe that one day soon enough, those same secularists may shockingly discover that they are only pawns -- totally expendable -- in the advance of Islam across the globe.
 

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The idea that a Christian must die for their faith is beyond comprehension in our country. But that mind set is a big disadvantage when considering the real scriptural teachings of Islam. No one should die just for being a Muslim but neither should Islam be considered a religion. Any book that tells its followers that they must kill or demand a person renounce their religion is not a religion. Islam is the satan and Muslims the followers of pure evil.

Sentenced to death for a sip of water - NYPOST.com
Amen and all I have to say is "john 3:16" :)
 

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I don't get it, i've read the link in the opening post but there's no mention of exactly what the woman did.
I've got christian tendencies and personally I've got no beef with Islam, I like the zero-tolerance way they handle perverts, junkies, thieves, drunks etc in their countries.
Muslims hate the west's guts because our governments support Israel-
[Koran 5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

so the sooner we cut our ties with Israel the sooner they'll hate us less, and for good measure we should pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
This verse offers a ray of hope that if we start minding our own business muslims might at least tolerate christians
[Koran 5:82] "..you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe to be those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly"
 

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...We should note that of all people, Islam hates worst the infidel who has no faith in monotheistic god. Makes it rather ironic that so many secularists and atheists seem to support the general Islamic condition...
Yeah, godless atheists are always saying with a smile "Islam is the world's fastest-growing religion and will eventually overtake Christianity", but if that ever happens they'll be the first to be strung up from lamp posts..:)
 

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Umm - These guys spend more time killing each other than they do us....just sayin'

Islam is clearly not a religion tolerant of unbelievers. While there is no doubt that dirty deeds have been done in the name of Christianity, there is (at least in my mind) no comparing new testament forgiveness and atonement with the focus on revenge and violence in the kuran, made much worse by the fatwah issued to propogate its teaching...speaking of dirty deeds done in the name of a religion...

Any religion that encourages its followers to lie to "unbelievers" regarding its true nature, as does Islam, will not peacefully coexist with other religions.

Just my .02
 

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I don't get it, i've read the link in the opening post but there's no mention of exactly what the woman did.
I've got christian tendencies and personally I've got no beef with Islam, I like the zero-tolerance way they handle perverts, junkies, thieves, drunks etc in their countries.
Muslims hate the west's guts because our governments support Israel-
[Koran 5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

so the sooner we cut our ties with Israel the sooner they'll hate us less, and for good measure we should pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
This verse offers a ray of hope that if we start minding our own business muslims might at least tolerate christians
[Koran 5:82] "..you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe to be those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly"
Sorry Jim I hear what you are saying but I believe you are in a well intentioned error. I acknowledge the reverse could be true so feel free to point out any errors on my part. Many Islamist claim their issues with the West date back to the Crusades. However they conveniently forget the Islamic invasion of Europe stemmed by Pepin the Short of France and the Islamic occupation of Spain lifted by Ferdinand and Isabella(Of Columbus fame). They attribute their enmity of the US to our support of Israel however they ignore our Jeffersonian and beyond Naval War against the Barbary states. Why? They were seizing our citizens and selling them into slavery. They were doing this in Europe including England but we were not the worlds policeman. Some of our earliest Navy and Marine Corps history was written about these conflicts. No we can do everything they ask to end their hate of us and they will just find new reasons to hate.
 

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They will hate us forever and there is not a thing we can do to change their minds.. Muslims are the evil of the world!

Screw Islam and may Allah and the Prophet Muhammed be gang raped by a tribe of Silverback Gorillas!!!
 

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Organized religion of any type has caused more death and human suffering than anything else in the history of mankind. Even more than testosterone.
 

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They will hate us forever and there is not a thing we can do to change their minds.. Muslims are the evil of the world!

Screw Islam and may Allah and the Prophet Muhammed be gang raped by a tribe of Silverback Gorillas!!!
WOW ! Tell us how you REALLY feel. :p
 

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The idea that a Christian must die for their faith is beyond comprehension in our country. But that mind set is a big disadvantage when considering the real scriptural teachings of Islam. No one should die just for being a Muslim but neither should Islam be considered a religion. Any book that tells its followers that they must kill or demand a person renounce their religion is not a religion. Islam is the satan and Muslims the followers of pure evil.

Sentenced to death for a sip of water - NYPOST.com
Exodus 22:18 says that very thing in the King James Version of our Christian Bible if you take the bible literally and disregard the translational errors over the centuries.

Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Today that means that a person practicing Wicca or a number of other faiths that self identify as witches would either have to give up their faith or convert to Christianity to be spared from the axe. Many people have acted on that passage -even in the last decade attempting to kill people who were Wiccan or a member of some other pagan faith.
No devout Christian wants to hear the the passage was misquoted from the original text that read "thou shalt not allow a poisoner to live." A poisoner was a particular kind of assassin who used stealth and poison so as not to have to confront the one he was killing. In medieval Europe that was what witches were presumed to do so the change seemed to fit at the time even though it left out those blue blooded relatives who used poison to further their careers and wealth.

So, by your statement, Christianity is not a religion... I beg to differ with you. There are many things that we are told to do in the bible that are crimes in the USA. If you do them you will suffer the consequences of breaking the criminal law - and the "holy laws" you quote from the bible won't mean a thing.

Few Christians follow the "Law of Moses" even though it is part of their sacred Bible. There are also Believers in Islam who don't practice some of what is in the Kor'an for the same reasons that those Christians. It is no longer compatible with modern definitions and modern living ethics. Yet many are quick to condemn all Muslims for having similar texts in their sacred Kor'an. It has always seemed hypocritical to me to condemn all the followers of a religion for what was written into a book thousands of years ago.
 

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Christians are not bound by the Law of Moses found in the Old Testament.
No, but many use the old testament to further their own beliefs - for instance - Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death:"
 

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..we can do everything they ask to end their hate of us and they will just find new reasons to hate.
..They will hate us forever and there is not a thing we can do to change their minds..
But at least they'll hate us a little less if we cut our links with Israel, and if we get our boots out of Iraq/Afgh.
Israel is a nuclear power and well able to look after herself. As for Iraq/Afgh, I personally don't give a shit about them so let's bring our boys and girls home right now..:)
 

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Islam, as a religion, didn't actually begin until 610 CE. If there was anything in the Bible about Islam then you would have to question its authenticity.
 

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A mind changed against its will is of the same mind still.

First, without a doubt if you go in any way against Islam, Quran, Mohammad, or allah; you are subject to punishment including death. If a Christian tries to convert any Muslim to Christianity they have committed the gravest offense. Even a greater offense than being a non-believer. The non-believer would have no problem saying they accept Islam as their religion because it does not violate their faith. A true Christian has no such latitude.

Second, the Quran permits a believer to lie in the furtherance of Islam. So taking the word of Muslims in a Christian or free religion country is pointless and meaningless.

Third, if one studies the pre-crusades history there are many documented cases of torture and persecution. The example that has always stuck in my mind. Often Christians would have their abdomen cut open and tied to a post. Then they would be poked with spears forcing the individual to move away from the post. Once the intestines appeared about to burst they would stop leaving the individual attempting to reinsert his innards. Before leaving the leader would always if it is Allah's will you will live; all things are possible through Allah.

Fourth, however off track they got the crusades were about protecting Christians and those wanting to visit the Holy land. Given the Quran and many instances like the above and the fate of the Christian Pakistan woman is there any doubt why the Knights Templar and Paladins might have acted less than Christlike.
 
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