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I came across this and find it to be very true IMO.. Everyone is blaming guns but nobody is actually speakin about the mental health or medication issue.. I came across this earlier and thought I would repost it here..
AKE UP! I'm reposting this from earlier to EXPOSE this FACT, and HOPEFULLY get some more debate on the SOURCE of the PROBLEM:In 1957 there were over 500,000 institutionalized in State Mental Institutions and we had reasonable involuntary commitment laws. We had no modern "gun control" laws, could buy your M1 Carbine through the mail along with all the 30 round magazines you wanted- yet mass random shootings NEVER HAPPENED! Was 1957 America a police state? Doctors and judges made the decision who to keep in the loony bin, and they could not get out until they were no longer a threat to self or a public threat. You still had the rights to a lawyer and judge to prove your sanity and get out if there was no basis for the decision.
Today we have emptied and closed the State Mental Institutions, created the homeless population, made involuntary commitment impossible until AFTER you commit a crime- and then try and blame guns for the actions of the mental patients! Jared Laughner- parents tried to get him help at least twice but were turned down for lack of insurance, neighbors said he would ride around on his bike talking to himself, school said he was unbalanced, EXPELLED him for his disruptive irrational outbursts- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized long before he shot Gabby based on his obvious illness! Virginia Tech- school teachers said he was unbalanced, he had been IN a mental institution before- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized based on his obvious behavior! Colorado- His college psychiatrist was so alarmed by Holmes that she had him banned from the campus, but nothing else. Colorado media, including the Denver Post, reported that his school psychiatrist Fenton rejected a law enforcement offer to involuntarily confine Holmes for 72 hours after he told her six weeks before the shooting that he fantasized about killing "a lot of people." In the PAST- she could have had him involuntarily committed BEFORE he hurt anyone, you didn't have to wait until they were an imminent threat to themselves or others! What was even the POINT of him trying to get help from the psychiatrist when all she did was ban him from the school? Even Charles Whitman in 1966, the first of these crazed mass shooters warned authorities before hand by seeking help from Texas University's school psychiatrist- repeatedly! He had severe migraine headaches and extreme anger that HE knew was irrational, turned out he had a BRAIN TUMOR- discovered AFTER his death! He even told his psychiatrist he was fantasizing about shooting people from the tower! If his school psychiatrist had remotely done his job he would have gotten the help he sought. To this day Texas University won't release all of Whitman's medical records, claiming the deceased "right to privacy"- so the school won't be SUED!
The Newtown CT shooting- Mother was so scared of her son she told sitters not to turn their backs on him even if they went to the bathroom, was in the process to allow her to involuntarily commit him- but with him not having committed a crime involuntary commitment is virtually impossible and there is no where to send him. In the State of Connecticut, you cannot even use someone's past history of violence or past psychiatric history against them in an involuntary commitment case. 40 years ago he would have been institutionalized in a State Mental Institution based on his behavior. You know where one of the largest State Mental Institution in Connecticut is? NEWTOWN- its been CLOSED for DECADES! This is NOT a "gun control" issue! Now the Governor has ordered the State Police report which was supposed to come out in August sealed in the Connecticut case, so the public will never be able to learn what really happened and draw an appropriate legislative response. Politics controlling the debate, rather than FACTS.
In this latest incident at the Naval Yard, the shooter had been arrested in the past for shooting out the tires on a construction worker's vehicle, claiming he had "blacked out". He had shot a hole through his upstairs neighbor's floor, claiming it was an ""accident". she claimed he constantly complained of "noise" and she lived in fear of him. He called the police to complain people were "following him", complained of "noise" coming from his hotel closet, had changed hotels three time to get away from the "noise". He was being treated for psychiatric issues, complained of "hearing voices". 40 years ago he would have been in a State Mental Institution getting treatment instead of killing 12 people and dying in the process.
I',m not sure how true it is but I guess we will never know about Sandy Hook now that the governor is sealin the records.. There are some CRAZY ****IN PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY and we just skirt the issue because god forbid you say something about a retarded person!!! I'm not sayin everyone with mental health issues are bad.. But safety should come before political correctness..
AKE UP! I'm reposting this from earlier to EXPOSE this FACT, and HOPEFULLY get some more debate on the SOURCE of the PROBLEM:In 1957 there were over 500,000 institutionalized in State Mental Institutions and we had reasonable involuntary commitment laws. We had no modern "gun control" laws, could buy your M1 Carbine through the mail along with all the 30 round magazines you wanted- yet mass random shootings NEVER HAPPENED! Was 1957 America a police state? Doctors and judges made the decision who to keep in the loony bin, and they could not get out until they were no longer a threat to self or a public threat. You still had the rights to a lawyer and judge to prove your sanity and get out if there was no basis for the decision.
Today we have emptied and closed the State Mental Institutions, created the homeless population, made involuntary commitment impossible until AFTER you commit a crime- and then try and blame guns for the actions of the mental patients! Jared Laughner- parents tried to get him help at least twice but were turned down for lack of insurance, neighbors said he would ride around on his bike talking to himself, school said he was unbalanced, EXPELLED him for his disruptive irrational outbursts- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized long before he shot Gabby based on his obvious illness! Virginia Tech- school teachers said he was unbalanced, he had been IN a mental institution before- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized based on his obvious behavior! Colorado- His college psychiatrist was so alarmed by Holmes that she had him banned from the campus, but nothing else. Colorado media, including the Denver Post, reported that his school psychiatrist Fenton rejected a law enforcement offer to involuntarily confine Holmes for 72 hours after he told her six weeks before the shooting that he fantasized about killing "a lot of people." In the PAST- she could have had him involuntarily committed BEFORE he hurt anyone, you didn't have to wait until they were an imminent threat to themselves or others! What was even the POINT of him trying to get help from the psychiatrist when all she did was ban him from the school? Even Charles Whitman in 1966, the first of these crazed mass shooters warned authorities before hand by seeking help from Texas University's school psychiatrist- repeatedly! He had severe migraine headaches and extreme anger that HE knew was irrational, turned out he had a BRAIN TUMOR- discovered AFTER his death! He even told his psychiatrist he was fantasizing about shooting people from the tower! If his school psychiatrist had remotely done his job he would have gotten the help he sought. To this day Texas University won't release all of Whitman's medical records, claiming the deceased "right to privacy"- so the school won't be SUED!
The Newtown CT shooting- Mother was so scared of her son she told sitters not to turn their backs on him even if they went to the bathroom, was in the process to allow her to involuntarily commit him- but with him not having committed a crime involuntary commitment is virtually impossible and there is no where to send him. In the State of Connecticut, you cannot even use someone's past history of violence or past psychiatric history against them in an involuntary commitment case. 40 years ago he would have been institutionalized in a State Mental Institution based on his behavior. You know where one of the largest State Mental Institution in Connecticut is? NEWTOWN- its been CLOSED for DECADES! This is NOT a "gun control" issue! Now the Governor has ordered the State Police report which was supposed to come out in August sealed in the Connecticut case, so the public will never be able to learn what really happened and draw an appropriate legislative response. Politics controlling the debate, rather than FACTS.
In this latest incident at the Naval Yard, the shooter had been arrested in the past for shooting out the tires on a construction worker's vehicle, claiming he had "blacked out". He had shot a hole through his upstairs neighbor's floor, claiming it was an ""accident". she claimed he constantly complained of "noise" and she lived in fear of him. He called the police to complain people were "following him", complained of "noise" coming from his hotel closet, had changed hotels three time to get away from the "noise". He was being treated for psychiatric issues, complained of "hearing voices". 40 years ago he would have been in a State Mental Institution getting treatment instead of killing 12 people and dying in the process.
I',m not sure how true it is but I guess we will never know about Sandy Hook now that the governor is sealin the records.. There are some CRAZY ****IN PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY and we just skirt the issue because god forbid you say something about a retarded person!!! I'm not sayin everyone with mental health issues are bad.. But safety should come before political correctness..
