Prepadoodle - For a guy that says he is not a "prepper", but just a guy learning stuff - You sure know a lot and have a lot. You may be crazier than you admit. 
Meduim Med Kit
I just finished updating a first aid kit that I think of as "the medium med kit." This one usually rides around with us in the car, and we take it camping (which can involve up to 8 people) and to the range. It fits into the 8" X 8" X 3" pouch that came with my tarp, and it probably weighs 2.5 pounds.
The idea was to create a "ready for almost anything" kit that would cover a wide range of applications, and do so in as small a package as possible. I thought it might be semi-interesting(ish), informative, or amusing to list the contents in some detail. Maybe it will give new preppers some ideas for kits tailored to their own needs.
I keep it all organized more or less by task, so that's the way I'll list it...
12 - Expectorant - 400 mg guaifeneasin
12 - Antihistamine - 25 mg diphenhydramine
24 - Anti-diarrheal - 2 mg loperamide
24 - Antacid - 500 mg calcium carbonate
24 - Aspirin - 325 mg aspirin
24 - Ibuprofen - 200 mg ibuprofen
24 - Acetaminophen PM - 500 mg + 25 mg diphenhydramine
sm tube - Muscle rub
sm tube - Triple antibiotic w/ painkiller
sm tube - Oral gel, 20% benzocaine
1 bottle - Eye drops
8 packets - Burn gel, 2% lidocaine + aloe
4 - Alcohol prep pads
2 - Disposable scalpels
4 - Splinter-outs
4 - Lancettes
4 - Alcohol prep pads
sm tube - SuperNumb, 5% Lidocaine topical
4 - Sutures, 4-0 silk
1 - 5" hemostats
1 - 5" forceps/tweezers
20 - Cotton swabs
4 - Antiseptic towelettes
sm tube - Superglue
4 packs - 1/4x3 Steri-strips
15 - Lg Butterfly closures
30 - Assorted self-adhesive bandages
6 - Antiseptic hand cleaner
2 pair - Exam gloves
8 packets - WoundSeal powder
2 - 5x9 ABD pads
4 - 3x4 No-stick pads
4 - 3x3 Gauze sponges
6 - 2x2 Gauze pads
4 - 1x1 Hemostatic gauze
2 - 3" Gauze rolls
2 - 2" Gauze rolls
2 - 1/2" Waterproof tape
1 - 1" Surgical tape
1 - Scissors (NOTE: Never run with these!)
2 - Triangular bandages
1 - Instant cold pack
1 - 4" ACE bandage
1 - 3" Self-adherent wrap
1 - 1" Self-adherent wrap
sm box - Waterproof matches
2 - Tea-light candles
1 - Sharpie + ballpoint pen
1 - Small notebook
1 - Mylar blanket
And yes, this all fits into that small bag... barely. I'll probably add an 18" SAM Splint, but that won't fit into this bag. Anyway, as always, I invite your comments and criticism. Well, not the snarky big goofball kinda criticism, which I seek to avoid, but any reasonably constructive criticism is definitely invited.. BYOB.
The idea was to create a "ready for almost anything" kit that would cover a wide range of applications, and do so in as small a package as possible. I thought it might be semi-interesting(ish), informative, or amusing to list the contents in some detail. Maybe it will give new preppers some ideas for kits tailored to their own needs.
I keep it all organized more or less by task, so that's the way I'll list it...
12 - Expectorant - 400 mg guaifeneasin
12 - Antihistamine - 25 mg diphenhydramine
24 - Anti-diarrheal - 2 mg loperamide
24 - Antacid - 500 mg calcium carbonate
24 - Aspirin - 325 mg aspirin
24 - Ibuprofen - 200 mg ibuprofen
24 - Acetaminophen PM - 500 mg + 25 mg diphenhydramine
sm tube - Muscle rub
sm tube - Triple antibiotic w/ painkiller
sm tube - Oral gel, 20% benzocaine
1 bottle - Eye drops
8 packets - Burn gel, 2% lidocaine + aloe
4 - Alcohol prep pads
2 - Disposable scalpels
4 - Splinter-outs
4 - Lancettes
4 - Alcohol prep pads
sm tube - SuperNumb, 5% Lidocaine topical
4 - Sutures, 4-0 silk
1 - 5" hemostats
1 - 5" forceps/tweezers
20 - Cotton swabs
4 - Antiseptic towelettes
sm tube - Superglue
4 packs - 1/4x3 Steri-strips
15 - Lg Butterfly closures
30 - Assorted self-adhesive bandages
6 - Antiseptic hand cleaner
2 pair - Exam gloves
8 packets - WoundSeal powder
2 - 5x9 ABD pads
4 - 3x4 No-stick pads
4 - 3x3 Gauze sponges
6 - 2x2 Gauze pads
4 - 1x1 Hemostatic gauze
2 - 3" Gauze rolls
2 - 2" Gauze rolls
2 - 1/2" Waterproof tape
1 - 1" Surgical tape
1 - Scissors (NOTE: Never run with these!)
2 - Triangular bandages
1 - Instant cold pack
1 - 4" ACE bandage
1 - 3" Self-adherent wrap
1 - 1" Self-adherent wrap
sm box - Waterproof matches
2 - Tea-light candles
1 - Sharpie + ballpoint pen
1 - Small notebook
1 - Mylar blanket
And yes, this all fits into that small bag... barely. I'll probably add an 18" SAM Splint, but that won't fit into this bag. Anyway, as always, I invite your comments and criticism. Well, not the snarky big goofball kinda criticism, which I seek to avoid, but any reasonably constructive criticism is definitely invited.. BYOB.
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Inor, it's not about prepping to me, it's about self sufficiency. My entire knowledge of medical stuff can be summed up with, "clear the airway, stop the bleeding, treat for shock." I will never be a doctor, but I would like to be able to do a little more than that. I had decided not to accumulate more stuff because we are looking to move. Finding the right property is taking a lot longer than we expected, so I'm feeling the urge to do a little now just in case. I would admit to being crazy, but most of the voices in my skull tell me I'm not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What I am trying to do is switch my thinking to more of a "tasked based" approach and develop self-contained modules which would each contain everything I need to do a specific task. For example, my "sprain kit" consists of An ACE Bandage, cold pack, triangular bandages, and self-adherent gauze wraps, and gives me everything I need to handle most minor sprains. I'm working on a "breaks" module (SAM splints and more wraps) that will extend my capabilities there.
In an emergency, you might not have time to sort through all those supplies to find what you need. Having at least some of your stuff pre-sorted into task kits gives you instant "grab and go" capabilities that might save valuable time. This lets me quickly and easily customize my medical capabilities to suit the "mission" while ensuring that I don't forget something needed for a particular job.
As I develop these kits for my own use, I'm becoming aware of shortcomings in my training. This is a good thing because it kinda forces me to learn things that I may need some day. So when I put together the items I need to deal with a sucking chest wound, I'll be learning how to treat this wound too. I won't have experience, but at least I'll have the tools and a working knowledge of their use.
Because of this thread, I now see I should have a "Gunshot Initial Response" module. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter how much it weighs or how big it is, but it should be as small and light as possible while containing everything you need to treat 1 or 2 gunshot wounds until help arrives.
The idea is to stop the bleeding and get them ready to hand off to someone with actual medical training. I'll probably make an add-on kit that would have longer-term supplies to keep the wound clean and covered if there aren't gonna be any doctors around. If the catheters are for drains, maybe they would go into this add-on. If I knew anything about catheters, I would probably know this!
Here's my first shot at this kit...
GSW IR
2 - Exam gloves
2 - Antiseptic hand wipes
1 - EMT scissors
4 - Providone Prep Pads
1 - SOF Tactical Tourniquet or equiv
2 - 4" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
1 - 6" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
2 - HALO Chest seals
4 - Blood stopper (QuikClot or equiv)
4 - 4X4 Gauze pads
8 - 2X2 Gauze pads
2 rolls - 2" Self-adherent gauze wrap
1 roll - 3" Elastic Bandage
1 roll - 1" Surgical tape
sm roll - 2" Duct tape
Would that do it?
What I am trying to do is switch my thinking to more of a "tasked based" approach and develop self-contained modules which would each contain everything I need to do a specific task. For example, my "sprain kit" consists of An ACE Bandage, cold pack, triangular bandages, and self-adherent gauze wraps, and gives me everything I need to handle most minor sprains. I'm working on a "breaks" module (SAM splints and more wraps) that will extend my capabilities there.
In an emergency, you might not have time to sort through all those supplies to find what you need. Having at least some of your stuff pre-sorted into task kits gives you instant "grab and go" capabilities that might save valuable time. This lets me quickly and easily customize my medical capabilities to suit the "mission" while ensuring that I don't forget something needed for a particular job.
As I develop these kits for my own use, I'm becoming aware of shortcomings in my training. This is a good thing because it kinda forces me to learn things that I may need some day. So when I put together the items I need to deal with a sucking chest wound, I'll be learning how to treat this wound too. I won't have experience, but at least I'll have the tools and a working knowledge of their use.
Because of this thread, I now see I should have a "Gunshot Initial Response" module. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter how much it weighs or how big it is, but it should be as small and light as possible while containing everything you need to treat 1 or 2 gunshot wounds until help arrives.
The idea is to stop the bleeding and get them ready to hand off to someone with actual medical training. I'll probably make an add-on kit that would have longer-term supplies to keep the wound clean and covered if there aren't gonna be any doctors around. If the catheters are for drains, maybe they would go into this add-on. If I knew anything about catheters, I would probably know this!
Here's my first shot at this kit...
GSW IR
2 - Exam gloves
2 - Antiseptic hand wipes
1 - EMT scissors
4 - Providone Prep Pads
1 - SOF Tactical Tourniquet or equiv
2 - 4" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
1 - 6" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
2 - HALO Chest seals
4 - Blood stopper (QuikClot or equiv)
4 - 4X4 Gauze pads
8 - 2X2 Gauze pads
2 rolls - 2" Self-adherent gauze wrap
1 roll - 3" Elastic Bandage
1 roll - 1" Surgical tape
sm roll - 2" Duct tape
Would that do it?
The only thing I would add to your sucking chest wound kit would be some small sheets of plastic or maybe a couple zip lock bags. Years ago, before I blew out my knee, I was pretty active in the Ski Patrol. One of the things they taught us in our first aid classes was to cover a sucking chest wound with plastic so the chest cavity can develop a vacuum and the victim can breathe.
The other thing I learned from them was to cut 3 or 4 inch strips of the 1/2 inch square wire mesh for splints. This is the same mesh that folks use for making rabbit cages etc. It rolls up really easily, is light and easy to carry and when unrolled and bandaged to a broken leg or arm, provides a really good strong splint.
But like you, I am no doctor so value everything I say at what you paid for it.
The other thing I learned from them was to cut 3 or 4 inch strips of the 1/2 inch square wire mesh for splints. This is the same mesh that folks use for making rabbit cages etc. It rolls up really easily, is light and easy to carry and when unrolled and bandaged to a broken leg or arm, provides a really good strong splint.
But like you, I am no doctor so value everything I say at what you paid for it.
Small version for individual use...
GSW IND
2 - Antiseptic wipes
1 - SOF Tactical Tourniquet or equiv
1 - 4" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
1 - HALO Chest seal
2 - Blood stopper (QuikClot or equiv)
4 - 3X3 Gauze pads
4 - 2X2 Gauze pads
1 roll - 2" Self-adherent gauze wrap
1 roll - 3" Elastic Bandage
1 roll - 1/2" Waterproof tape
GSW IND
2 - Antiseptic wipes
1 - SOF Tactical Tourniquet or equiv
1 - 4" Israeli Bandage/Battle Dressing
1 - HALO Chest seal
2 - Blood stopper (QuikClot or equiv)
4 - 3X3 Gauze pads
4 - 2X2 Gauze pads
1 roll - 2" Self-adherent gauze wrap
1 roll - 3" Elastic Bandage
1 roll - 1/2" Waterproof tape
Inor, these HALO thingies are already sticky enough to seal to the wound, that's what they are for. I guess you should have 2, because it might be a through hole and need one on each side. I'm thinking you could slap one on the exit and use the wrapper for the entrance hole if you had to, so 1 would be the bare minimum (easiest) way to go.
Yes - noticed you had mentioned those IMMEDIATELY after I posted my reply.Inor, these HALO thingies are already sticky enough to seal to the wound, that's what they are for. I guess you should have 2, because it might be a through hole and need one on each side. I'm thinking you could slap one on the exit and use the wrapper for the entrance hole if you had to, so 1 would be the bare minimum (easiest) way to go.
One of these days I am going to learn that you do not usually leave anything out of your lists.
Any impervious flixible material will work in a pinch for a sucking chest wound, along with duct tape to seal three sides.
I won't point out that both of the last lists were stuff I left out of the first one.
I'll put this kit together and store it with my camp/car kit. to better deal with car and range accidents. If I'm going to a "Wild West" situation, I would pack the individual kit on my belt or vest and have the bigger version in my bag.
This is all morphing into the Modular Medical system. Hmmmm
I'll put this kit together and store it with my camp/car kit. to better deal with car and range accidents. If I'm going to a "Wild West" situation, I would pack the individual kit on my belt or vest and have the bigger version in my bag.
This is all morphing into the Modular Medical system. Hmmmm
Ok, a question for all of you. I have seen other posts about having syringes, and painkillers. How do you guys get a hold of the drugs when they are so heavily regulated? I can get sterile syringes of multiple sizes and gauge needles all day long at my feed store, but what about the injectable drugs, such as pain killers, antibiotics, ect.?
I don't list anything I'm not supposed to have. If there is no legal way for me to get something, I try to find a work-around. I'm not planning on injecting anyone with anything.
As an example, the SuperNumb in the suture kit might (or might not) be very useful as a local painkiller. All I know is that tattoo places seem to like it for their customers, and that's like needles jabbing into you, right? So as far as I know, that's the best I can do. If someone knows a better over the counter product, let us know!
As an example, the SuperNumb in the suture kit might (or might not) be very useful as a local painkiller. All I know is that tattoo places seem to like it for their customers, and that's like needles jabbing into you, right? So as far as I know, that's the best I can do. If someone knows a better over the counter product, let us know!
Here is a good place to start....Ok, a question for all of you. I have seen other posts about having syringes, and painkillers. How do you guys get a hold of the drugs when they are so heavily regulated? I can get sterile syringes of multiple sizes and gauge needles all day long at my feed store, but what about the injectable drugs, such as pain killers, antibiotics, ect.?
Amazon.com: Survivalist's Medicine Chest eBook: Ragnar Benson: Books
Then more recently...........
Do-It-Yourself Medicine: How to Find and Use the Most Effective Antibiotics, Painkillers, Anesthetics and Other Miracle Drugs... Without Costly Doctors' Prescriptions or Hospitals: Ragnar Benson: 9780873649186: Amazon.com: Books
Either ice or Everclear (around 80% ethanol) works as a topical for a short time. Long enough to do stitches. I do agree though, I would love to be able to buy a 2% injectable lidocaine solution OTC. Why can't we? There is no high from it. I cannot imagine anybody becoming addicted. I do not think you can refine it into anything other than what it is?
We must have been naughty or something.
2% Lidocaine with aloe is BurnJel
5% Lidocaine is SuperNumb or Dr Numb Deep Numb Cream, both made for tattoo artists
1% Pramoxine with calamine is Aveeno Active Natural Anti-Itch Cream
Neosporin + Pain is Pramoxine with anti-biotics
Many anti-itch creams combine Pramoxine with hydrocortisone (anti-itch, anti-inflammation)
But all of these take awhile to start working because they get absorbed through the skin. I have no idea what they would do to an open wound.
5%, 10% or 20% Benzocaine is available in "toothache" gels. This stuff numbs your mouth fast and is obviously safe enough to ingest in small quantities. Has anyone here even smeared some into a cut? If someone is willing to slice themselves and try, that would be great. Please let us know how it went.
2% Lidocaine with aloe is BurnJel
5% Lidocaine is SuperNumb or Dr Numb Deep Numb Cream, both made for tattoo artists
1% Pramoxine with calamine is Aveeno Active Natural Anti-Itch Cream
Neosporin + Pain is Pramoxine with anti-biotics
Many anti-itch creams combine Pramoxine with hydrocortisone (anti-itch, anti-inflammation)
But all of these take awhile to start working because they get absorbed through the skin. I have no idea what they would do to an open wound.
5%, 10% or 20% Benzocaine is available in "toothache" gels. This stuff numbs your mouth fast and is obviously safe enough to ingest in small quantities. Has anyone here even smeared some into a cut? If someone is willing to slice themselves and try, that would be great. Please let us know how it went.
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