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So I decided on no sidearm and just sticking with a rifle. I wanted to get the ruger 10/22 takedown (price) but then wondered if a 22 was even effective if it came down to protection from someone else or a large predator (in my bug out situation/location would be either a bear, mountain lion, bobcat). Even though it is more that I want to spend, my eye caught a bushmaster xm-15 m4-a3. Could somone show me a picture comparison of a 5.56 round next to a 22? And also any opinions on the decision or even personal experience with one of the rifles would be greatly appreciated.
 

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10/22 are great for defense in my opinion. hardly any muzzle rise or recoil. allows for tight groups and quick follow up shots on target. and you can carry 1000 rnds in your pocket.
downside is they are only effective to 150yrds id say. and as far as bears....not so good.
ar 15 is a great choice for defense and wildlife. you can take game if you had to with a well placed shot and the right ammo. and its range with the right ammo will go 600 + yards. you can build one for about $600.
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So I decided on no sidearm and just sticking with a rifle. I wanted to get the ruger 10/22 takedown (price) but then wondered if a 22 was even effective if it came down to protection from someone else or a large predator (in my bug out situation/location would be either a bear, mountain lion, bobcat). Even though it is more that I want to spend, my eye caught a bushmaster xm-15 m4-a3. Could somone show me a picture comparison of a 5.56 round next to a 22? And also any opinions on the decision or even personal experience with one of the rifles would be greatly appreciated.
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I would take the 5.56 all day since you decided to ditch the side arm. Although 22LR is an under rated round and there have been cases of it killing bears this is very rare and i would not trust a 22LR for my defense.
 

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So I decided on no sidearm and just sticking with a rifle. I wanted to get the ruger 10/22 takedown (price) but then wondered if a 22 was even effective if it came down to protection from someone else or a large predator (in my bug out situation/location would be either a bear, mountain lion, bobcat). Even though it is more that I want to spend, my eye caught a bushmaster xm-15 m4-a3. Could somone show me a picture comparison of a 5.56 round next to a 22? And also any opinions on the decision or even personal experience with one of the rifles would be greatly appreciated.
C'mon Man! Get that Ruger 10/22 today! You can find the takedown for around $400. .22lr ammo is another discussion. After you get the 10/22 save for a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Then you will need the AR15 with a pile of 30 round magazines. Don't stop there, the SKS can still be found cheap and it is one reliable firearm, get it. Damn son, no bolt action rifle? Get one in .270 Win or 30.06. After a while get the AK47, proven battle worthy and millions of soldiers around the world can't be wrong!

Then and only then you will realize that you need the sidearm to help fight your way back to all the long guns that you have. Start off with a nice 9mm semi atuomatic, then get a revolver chambered in .357. DO NOT STOP THERE...Get the .45 acp with your next paycheck. (The kids can work in college so don't sweat it). Don't have a nice little pocket pistol? You'll need the .380, Smith and Wesson or Sig Sauer if you ask me. Do a little research and you'll find a sweet little Browning Buckmark .22 LR semi auto handgun! GET IT! What the heck is an FN 5.7? Do a little research and you'll want one now. What? They make a .50 cal? Hell Yeah I want one of those too.

Then your wife will shoot your 10/22 and want one of her own. And the circle of life begins again.
 

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In an area with bear and mountain lion, I would take a AR over a 10-22 all day long. It's been a long time since I have owned a 10-22, but way back then there was allot of feeding problems with them, so I wasn't all that impressed with it. Maybe they have fixed the problem. As for the SKS, you may not be able to effectively engage targets 500 yds away, but it is a very reliable rifle that requires very little maintenance, and the 7.62x39 round does have more kinetic energy then the 5.56 and is much better suited for taking large game. I am not aware of any state that allows deer hunting with a 5.56, but I believe that any state that allows deer hunting with a rifle allows hunters to use the 7.62x39 round. Just saying.
 

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Thanks guys, being able to carry a lot of 22 was a big plus but again its effectiveness in protection against a larger predator was my main concern. As far as building my own AR, how would I go about doing that? Better yet where do I start?
 

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Get the 22 and pickup a Glock 20 in 10mm. Then you should be good to go.
 

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There's a reason why the military doesn't use the .22LR. It isn't effective at stopping a threat. There's a reason squirrel hunters do not use a .308. They'd have nothing to eat.

People assert that a .22LR is just as effective when the bullet it well-placed. I assert that someone who is looking for a bug-out weapon and is asking these questions is not going to be making sniper-like shots and will most likely be making center-mass shots. Even so, I can think of one incident where a country store owner used a .22LR against a robber, and while the owner fired numerous rounds in the robber's face, the robber swatted in the air as if bees were attacking him before he ran out. That isn't good enough for me.
Sure, we know that assassins use .22LR, but are you going to be executing people with two rounds at the base of the skull?

Here's my concern. That you asked for a side by side picture of a .22LR and a 5.56 round tell me you are entry-level. It sounds to me like you are in need of hands-on training. Find someone to teach you how to shoot and what to shoot. I think we are getting close to a time when being able to employ rifles and sidearms will be necessary, so I hope you don't put off getting this training.

Good luck, friend!
 

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There's a reason why the military doesn't use the .22LR. It isn't effective at stopping a threat. There's a reason squirrel hunters do not use a .308. They'd have nothing to eat.

People assert that a .22LR is just as effective when the bullet it well-placed. I assert that someone who is looking for a bug-out weapon and is asking these questions is not going to be making sniper-like shots and will most likely be making center-mass shots. Even so, I can think of one incident where a country store owner used a .22LR against a robber, and while the owner fired numerous rounds in the robber's face, the robber swatted in the air as if bees were attacking him before he ran out. That isn't good enough for me.
Sure, we know that assassins use .22LR, but are you going to be executing people with two rounds at the base of the skull?

Here's my concern. That you asked for a side by side picture of a .22LR and a 5.56 round tell me you are entry-level. It sounds to me like you are in need of hands-on training. Find someone to teach you how to shoot and what to shoot. I think we are getting close to a time when being able to employ rifles and sidearms will be necessary, so I hope you don't put off getting this training.

Good luck, friend!
I've shot plenty of guns and am a fairly good shooter. I've shotguns, .357, my dads baretta (idk which pistol), and a remington 700. The reason this question was asked is because I can honestly say I don't know [email protected]#T about guns. Never owned one. But Im ready to do some research and get one. All my "knowledge" is listening to other people, and that doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about either. Just looking for some help. And thanks to whoever posted the bullet pic!
 

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Get the 22 and pickup a Glock 20 in 10mm. Then you should be good to go.
You beat me to it. I know a person that did research on what people is bear country were carrying because he want's to hike that area and the 10mm was the carry of choise. Also for hunting there are a lot more small game available then large and unless you have a cabin or such what would you do with very large game.

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I've shot plenty of guns and am a fairly good shooter. I've shotguns, .357, my dads baretta (idk which pistol), and a remington 700. The reason this question was asked is because I can honestly say I don't know [email protected]#T about guns. Never owned one. But Im ready to do some research and get one. All my "knowledge" is listening to other people, and that doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about either. Just looking for some help. And thanks to whoever posted the bullet pic!
The first step in learning is admitting you don't know. Give us an idea what state you're in and maybe some one can point you in the right direction. Otherwise take a gun class. Check and see if there is a local gun club, they usually have gun classes available.
 

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The only thing that a 22 is going to protect you from is a Army of Squirels or Rabits. For someone that is at the very begging I would suggest a Shotgun to start with. easer learning curve and Alot more useful all around. if you want a Rifle I would say Either a AR or a AK, depending if you live in a Free American state. If not get a good Bolt action like a Rem. 700. a 22 is Fun to plink with and shoot very small game thats about it.
 

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I've shot plenty of guns and am a fairly good shooter. I've shotguns, .357, my dads baretta (idk which pistol), and a remington 700. The reason this question was asked is because I can honestly say I don't know [email protected]#T about guns. Never owned one. But Im ready to do some research and get one. All my "knowledge" is listening to other people, and that doesn't mean that they know what they are talking about either. Just looking for some help. And thanks to whoever posted the bullet pic!
Forgive me, but your opening questions cause me concern. Your response is still ringing bells, to be honest. There are good training facilities around the country with some really skilled instructors. There is a difference between being a fair shot with Dad's guns and being trained. Training goes beyond launching a bullet down range.
I am not trying to irk you, just trying to steer you in the best direction.
 

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What concerns does my question bring? And what bells are being rung? As stated before I've never owned a gun and don't know anything about them. My knowledge is other peoples opinions on things. All I know is point and shoot. Never needed more than that. I would love to take classes, and will when opportunity presents itself. I appreciate and value everything everyone has posted and was just asking what would you rather take with you if you could only take one. And the options I presented were the ruger 10/22 or the ar-15. With my concern about the 10/22 being protection against large predators. But a plus being how much ammo I can carry. Ar-15 being much more effective and more suited for a longer shot would make for better protection. I don't plan on using it because I don't care to hunt, I'm a fisherman and will stick to what I know. But for me, a gun is like a condom, better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
 

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Forgive me, but your opening questions cause me concern. Your response is still ringing bells, to be honest. There are good training facilities around the country with some really skilled instructors. There is a difference between being a fair shot with Dad's guns and being trained. Training goes beyond launching a bullet down range.
I am not trying to irk you, just trying to steer you in the best direction.
And I appreciate it greatly Denton thank you :thumbup:
 

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If I was going to have just one firearm it would be a 12ga pump shotgun, either Remington 870 or Mossgerg 500. I would cheat a bit and have one tactical barrel and one hunting barrel to be changed out as need be.
 
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