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Hey all. New to the site, though I’ve been thinking about prepping (and doing it) for a while. It just seems to me that there’s so much that can and probably will go wrong, from an economic relapse leading to collapse of earnings and the withdrawal of the state and absolute anarchy to a pandemic that attacks without warning and leaves millions dead and again, leaves absolute anarchy behind. I once thought that it’d be enough to hole up somewhere, provisioned and armed and wait it out until some kind of normalcy resumed. I now think that post event, there won’t be any normalcy, only a twilight zone where even those who are prepped, in a bunker for example, can be smoked out and besieged by all the desperate unprepared monsters that’ll be running around scrambling for life. If something happens in/to the US, it’s gone for good. (In my opinion.) That means you have to be ready to get out and have somewhere overseas that’s set up and ready (as a plan A, if there’s enough time before the s**t really hits the fan and there’s a flight ban) where you can survive permanently, away from the US. I love my country, but I just don’t think a bug out bag will do it when an event inevitably occurs.

Anyway, I’d welcome any thoughts about the best location overseas, what the criteria for picking a place is and anything else that’s important. Or if anyone disagrees totally, why?

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I have to say I disagree. I mean, a total meltdown, permanently of civil society is essentially unheard of. It's possible that the government fails and anarchy erupts, but eventually, the vacuum left by the fall of any government will be filled. Additionally, I think it's unlikely that the current government, short of a rebellion or invasion, will just melt into the woodwork. There's just too much at stake. Powerful people rarely just walk away from power never to return. Social discord is possible, anarchy too, but even a colapse of the national government will only lead, at worst, to a return to tribalism, and that only until a uniting force arised. For example, say our national and state governments utterly disintegrate. How long before a forgeign force (or corporation for that matter) comes to exploit our natural resources?

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I have to say I disagree. I mean, a total meltdown, permanently of civil society is essentially unheard of. It's possible that the government fails and anarchy erupts, but eventually, the vacuum left by the fall of any government will be filled. Additionally, I think it's unlikely that the current government, short of a rebellion or invasion, will just melt into the woodwork. There's just too much at stake. Powerful people rarely just walk away from power never to return. Social discord is possible, anarchy too, but even a colapse of the national government will only lead, at worst, to a return to tribalism, and that only until a uniting force arised. For example, say our national and state governments utterly disintegrate. How long before a forgeign force (or corporation for that matter) comes to exploit our natural resources?

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When Rome fell because of some of the same things that are going on now it brought on the dark ages that took over 600 years to recover from. And the whole world is tied together much closer then back then. At least Roman coins had a set amount of precious metal in them and were used centuries after the fall.
 

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Welcome to the forum, glad to have you here with us and hope to see you around and see you often here.

As for your thoughts...answer me this. What country out there is better than the US? If the USA goes down in flames what other country out there wont be thrown for a loop or two as well? I have been around the world a few times courtesy of Uncle Sam and there aint too many places in this world that practice isolationism enough to be immune to a collapes of the USA, some more so than others. Very few of them do you have the freedoms and oppertunities that you would have here in North America. For all of Americas faults and vulnerabilities, I think its the best place there is and the place with the most potential. We might be reduced to 3rd world living standards for a while if SHTF but we arent going away totally. Americans are spoiled rotten with their high standard of living and may be in for a rude awakening if the SHTF, but I think in the end we will weather it as well as anyone else will if not better, it just might be a long hard road to walk to get back there though.
 

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Even if we had a total colapse of the US we are still as a country more armed than the rest of the world, anyother country thinking of invading our soil has a ass woopen just waiting for them. Even in those liberal states, in the liberal states I am sure all those guns that fell off the boats and lost in the woods will suddenly reapear lol.
 

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I don't believe your assessment is correct, preppers are not just waiting in bunkers to die. What will happen is a mass depopulation down what the land can sustain using 1900 technology, in highly populated areas that will exceed 90%. From that point it will start to build up again as most of the US is thinly populated in agricultural lands.
Every SHTF novel out there comes up with a nemesis that is usually some huge biker gang, or cannibals, which is mostly Hollywood thinking that sells books. Most of these bad asses will be dead in the first 60 days, lawlessness will be fun until people that want law shoot their sorry asses and establish order.
So the answer isn't leave the country, it is MOVE to the country.

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Welcome. I disagree with leave the USA. I plan to stay here in my state of Mississippi. I live in a rural area and plan to stand our ground. We have a lot invested in defending our places. I know my land an surroundings areas, which I feel will give me and edge.
 

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After Rome fell I think Teutonic tribes like the Visigoths ruled much of what was once the Roman Empire. And while I agree the Dark Ages were a very bad thing (especially for non-Christians), I believe there was still some level of social order. In other words, people weren't just running amok and living off of grubs and slime for 600 years. My point was merely that a break in the rule of law is seldom generations long. Eventually, where ever there are people, someone is enforcing some kind of law (even if it is a barbaric or foreign law).
 

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Welcome to the forum.

We may fall back to the 1800's in a way depending on the scenario but we still have a chance. There is no other country that I would even consider. One exception there would be the rebuilt Republic of Texas :grin:

We are unique in this country. Every nation I can think of has some sort of socialist control over their people. Some are much worse than others. No, I will stay here and take my chances. Hiding and waiting to die are not options for me.
 

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Reminds me of the movie "The Postman". Decent people will remain and strive for peace & prosperity. I believe it will come, just might take some time to get there.
 

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Revolution is certainly on the horizon. The question is will it be a philosophical one or a bloody one? I feel it is planned and will be the destruction of the US dollar, resulting in anarchy. The gov will try a major shift to Socialist Police state, and will be finally beaten by the partisans who will bring back Constituionalism, as it was meant in the beginning (1776). But it will be long and bloody.
 

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Welcome from Florida.
I can't advise on a place overseas that would be better than the US, as the only other country I have visited was Vietnam. When it was a war zone.
However, why do you think that people from all over the world risk everything, even life itself, to get here? Something to think about.
 

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Revolution is certainly on the horizon. The question is will it be a philosophical one or a bloody one?
Couldn't agree more,I believe it will be both,but the good in people will prevail and civilization will come back,the wicked won't last.But it will take time and be at a price.However we will still be and will always remain the greatest country in the world,but on that note,we are not anymore exempt to a SHTF senario than anywhere else in the world.You don't have to love your government to love your country.
 

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... If something happens in/to the US, it's gone for good. (In my opinion.) That means you have to be ready to get out and have somewhere overseas that's set up and ready (as a plan A, if there's enough time before the s**t really hits the fan and there's a flight ban) where you can survive permanently, away from the US. I love my country, but I just don't think a bug out bag will do it when an event inevitably occurs.

Anyway, I'd welcome any thoughts about the best location overseas, what the criteria for picking a place is and anything else that's important. Or if anyone disagrees totally, why?

Thanks.
I wouldn't disagree "totally" but I would say that leaving the US doesn't seem like that great of an idea. Sure there are places you could try to relocate to (more on that in a second), but there would be a bunch of barriers standing in your way once you got there. Language, culture (being an "outsider"), the sometimes high cost of relocating, etc., would all be working against you, and what you would find (in most places) would not be any safer or more prosperous than what you could find in the US.

My main criteria -- not necessarily in this order -- would be (a) proximity to nearest city, (b) proximity to high-capacity transportation infrastructure (highways, rail, ports), (c) agricultural characteristics (hardiness zone, rainfall, soil), (d) population density, (e) cost of land, and (f) capacity for area to support a pre-SHTF relocation job (assuming you're not independently wealthy, drawing a pension, or telecommuting).

I don't think much of this requires explanation. What is worth pointing out is that large parts of the United States fit all 6 of these criteria. There are parts of Europe and Asia that fit the bill, too, but their governments are not necessarily any more stable, or if they are stable, conducive to the kind of personal liberty needed to prepare to fend for yourself.

I have to admit that I'm leaving Latin America out of the equation, for the most part, as a result of prejudice: I wouldn't know how to grow food there, so it's not really on my "radar". Working with the jungle is a whole other ballgame and not one I can really imagine, but for someone with experience in that direction and a proficiency in Spanish, I guess it would be an option.
 
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