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Okay, this list is currently of what I have, I KNOW it's not much, but it's what i have been able to scrap together so far paying for college out of pocket and working at a deli :-|

Sewing Kit
Splint
Basic Medical Supplies (Bandages, Large Bandages, Tape, etc.)
250 Box Matches
Military Scissors (Tough sonsabitches)
Insect Repellant
Thermal Gloves
Weather Radio
Weather Proof Matches
Fingerless Wool Gloves
100 ft. Paracord
Hand Warmer x 4
Snare Wire
Pair Of Socks x 3
Compass
Washcloth
Stainless Steel Coffee Can
Flashlight (Not LED, to me those would give a position away to easily, this one is just bright enough to vaguely light up a map or compass.)
Small Wool Blanket
Small Soap Bar

To Get
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Portable Water Purifier
UTG Sportsman Tactical Scenario Vest (Still browsing, may choose another vest)
More Spare Ammo
Mil-spec Waterproof 50L pack (Already ordered, but won't arrive for a good 2 weeks)
Nicon P-223 AR-15 Scope (It is a ACOG (I think) specifically designed for the AR-15 and 5.56 NATO rounds)
Backpack Tarp

Weapons
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AR-15 w/ Adjustable Butt stock / 3-Point Sling / Quad Rail / Fore grip / Bi-pod / Mounted Laser Sight (For close quarters) / 8 Magazines fully loaded
Glock Handgun w/ 3 extra mags fully loaded.
SOG Survival Knife

Again, this is a very basic list. I know you guys know what your talking about so I would value your input over anyone i currently know. As far as what i'm prepping for ? Anything in general.

NOTICE** - Removed the obviously stupid stuff, so now im down to these.
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well I know of one that doesn't need batteries and thats the elcan its a 2300 dollar sight at this point because it has both 1.5 power and 6 power on it an amazing sight in my opinion. So reflex sights are usually battery reliant so if that's a major feature of your bug out plan than go for it i just ask because reflex sights take alot of the newb(for want of a better term) out of shooting thats why the army switched to them plus any on the move shooting or shooting from behind awkward cover is gonna throw your aim off the eye relief needs to be exactly the same every time sight picture etc etc so its worth it for any shooting up to 300 meters for sure 500 if the mechanics of your shooting are good and you understand trajectory
My family will be taking a trip soon where i will be able to test the longer range shooting with this scope. And i understand its issues with close range, that is why i was considering getting this scope with a Laser on the side of my Quad rail with a button on the foregrip. Once i sight the laser in, it can be good for the ranges the scope could not cover (Or if constant moving an action happening) Then again, as you pointed out, I dont have as much experience with firearms as i should, so i cannot claim how effective this would be.
lasers are good for 25m or less in my opinion yea they can work further but the time it takes to acquire the sight picture then look for the laser is just going to drop your reaction time good. Well I do have experience but my plan is not your plan my life is not your life whatever it is you should feel comfortable using it but try it out in various positions and try to acquire and fire on your target in under 3s thats about the time you have at 100m to make a slow shot.
Is your family preppers as well or just you.
the wool blanket is a real good idea. They double as tarps and absorb rainwater to drink
the wool blanket is a real good idea. They double as tarps and absorb rainwater to drink
I honestly never would have thought about using it to absorb rainwater, Thanks for that comment Leon !
Thank you to everyone who provided links with good food supplements ! Will look those over as well and research a few more. And thank you HuntingHawk for those suggestions, will work on those as well !
Make sure your vest will work with your pack if you're going to be wearing both.

I just add a few pouches to my pack's waist belt and stuff things into my pockets if I absolutely have to. The amount of weight you carry counts everything from the top of your head to the soles of your shoes. Lighter loads mean faster travel and ultimately, your chances of success.

You can walk around your neighborhood with a pack. If you don't want to carry your weapons, carry their equivalent weight. If your neighbors ask, tell them you are training for an assault on Everest. :)
A sleeping mat does add comfort, but it's a bulky item. As a guy who's sleep on the ground more than I can count it's nice to have but the reality is you can only carry and strap so much on. I used mine a lot in the army, but I didn't have the need to base my survival long term on what I carried and had support to fall back on. Long term outdoor living in the army meant camps and supplies being flown or trucked in. Now I simply carry a woobie (poncho liner), poncho (for tarp use and rain cover) and a sleeping bag. Down in the south you've got lots of snakes who like to cuddle up to warm things in the night. You do not want to be in the woods sleeping on the ground with the mat. You want to get the knife/ax/machete out and make a raised platform to sleep on about a foot off the ground. I cover mine with palm leaves after and put my sleeping bag down. That sleeping bag is essential too in colder weather.
Prepadoodle....as always...you hit it bang on the money...shelter is important and not on his list....and at least a light sleeping bag or wool blanket...your bob should reflect the time of year as well. If it is winter, than adjust it accordingly. You dont need to carry the water filter system, as there are many purification tablets out there that are alot smaller to carry. I do have a firesteel, but I also carry strike anywhere matches in a small pill bottle. Oh one last thing...a garbage bag or too....helps with the shelter or can collect rain water or dew from a tree to drink if you need it.
Youve got a point with the snakes and bugs Fuz but in survival/evasion mode I ask two questions
First do you want to be heard chopping near nightfall especially if your just moving through
Second do you want to burn those calories every night/its still more efficient to sleep on a insulated pad especially on a raised platform for calories.

But you do have good points for consideration I always take the bivy sack with me and sleep inside it aint nothing getting in then. My recommendation since he mentioned getting a half shelter anyways those 1 man hoop tents are awesome for keeping out critters and rain.
A good tent, bag and pad weigh about 4 lbs, total.
Make sure your vest will work with your pack if you're going to be wearing both.

I just add a few pouches to my pack's waist belt and stuff things into my pockets if I absolutely have to. The amount of weight you carry counts everything from the top of your head to the soles of your shoes. Lighter loads mean faster travel and ultimately, your chances of success.

You can walk around your neighborhood with a pack. If you don't want to carry your weapons, carry their equivalent weight. If your neighbors ask, tell them you are training for an assault on Everest. :)
Ahaha, assault on Everest. Think ima switch to getting a MOLLE vest like Apex suggested. After looking at a few, they seem lighter and more customizable.
If you have a regular recurring flea market in your area there is more than a good chance of a surplus vendor being there.

Plus 1 to the Bivy sack idea as well. Absolutely critter free, BUT ya gotta be aware of what might be under you when wake up!
Youve got a point with the snakes and bugs Fuz but in survival/evasion mode I ask two questions
First do you want to be heard chopping near nightfall especially if your just moving through
Second do you want to burn those calories every night/its still more efficient to sleep on a insulated pad especially on a raised platform for calories.

But you do have good points for consideration I always take the bivy sack with me and sleep inside it aint nothing getting in then. My recommendation since he mentioned getting a half shelter anyways those 1 man hoop tents are awesome for keeping out critters and rain.
You've got to access your situation at all times. If you're evading someone and/or need to move fast and/or making a raised platform would be a bad choice in the noise made or trail left than you don't make one. But the snakes and bugs will still be there. Tents do help with that, but I don't like sleeping in a tent unless I'm in a secure, protected area where there's little chance of trouble before I can get out of it. Because a person in a tent makes an easy target. I know if I wanted to take out someone in a tent, I could be on them before they'd know it and ever get out of their tent while I could beat them with a club, knife them, pound them with a rock, shoot them or tie them up for later. It's no different than someone throwing a net on you technically. I normally sleep under my tarp, on my sleeping bag, fully dressed (except for my boots, sometimes), covered with my poncho liner and firearm by my leg, covered. I prefer a raised platform, but have sleep many times without. It's just more dangerous.

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I like a tarp over a tent too. IF set up so you can still see around you while you're laying down, you can gain the advantage of being able to see someone (at least their legs) while they can't see you. Besides, they are lighter, easier to carry, and more versatile.

I've had a snake climb into my sleeping bag before, and it's not fun. Actually, it's kind of a funny story, so...

I was in the desert near Ft Bliss Texas in my tank on some training thing. It was raining, which is very rare for the area, and my gunner's position leaked. I was getting this drip, drip, drip right on my head, which was driving me nuts, so I broke one of the cardinal rules of armor and decided to sleep on the ground. I grabbed our driver and told him I was gonna sleep under the tank... another big no no.

Anyway, sometime after that I was under there dry and warm in my Army bag and was awakened by something crawling around near my feet. My tired brain processed this as a snake, so I sat up quickly, smacking my skull on the underside of the tank, BONG! This dazed me a bit and kinda knocked me back down. When I had gathered what little wits I have, I tried to sit up again... BONG. After the second time, it finally dawned on me that I was under a tank and couldn't sit up, so I rolled over and set the world speed record for a low crawl. I distinctly remember passing the road runner and Wiley E Coyote as I crawled across the desert at like 300 miles per hour.

I went back later and shook out my bag. The snake slithered away fast so I didn't see what kid it was, but it was probably a rattler. I never slept on the ground in the desert again!

I just ordered a Catoma Adventure Shelters IBNS mesh bivy! No more sleeping with the snakes for me. :)
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The first rule of survival is to survive. I you are sleepin' layin' out on a rock you ain't gonnna survive in many climates. Tents ain't 'xactly tactical, bivy is probably much better but if you have a one man tent that ain't bright orange, set up late and knock down early you aren't likely to be discovered. A tent will keep you dry, keep the bugs off and add some warmth. A good one man tent can weigh under 2lbs. A good sleeping bag can weigh a pound. The Thermarest Neoair weighs about 8 ounces.
I like a tarp over a tent too. IF set up so you can still see around you while you're laying down, you can gain the advantage of being able to see someone (at least their legs) while they can't see you. Besides, they are lighter, easier to carry, and more versatile.

I've had a snake climb into my sleeping bag before, and it's not fun. Actually, it's kind of a funny story, so...

I was in the desert near Ft Bliss Texas in my tank on some training thing. It was raining, which is very rare for the area, and my gunner's position leaked. I was getting this drip, drip, drip right on my head, which was driving me nuts, so I broke one of the cardinal rules of armor and decided to sleep on the ground. I grabbed our driver and told him I was gonna sleep under the tank... another big no no.

Anyway, sometime after that I was under there dry and warm in my Army bag and was awakened by something crawling around near my feet. My tired brain processed this as a snake, so I sat up quickly, smacking my skull on the underside of the tank, BONG! This dazed me a bit and kinda knocked me back down. When I had gathered what little wits I have, I tried to sit up again... BONG. After the second time, it finally dawned on me that I was under a tank and couldn't sit up, so I rolled over and set the world speed record for a low crawl. I distinctly remember passing the road runner and Wiley E Coyote as I crawled across the desert at like 300 miles per hour.

I went back later and shook out my bag. The snake slithered away fast so I didn't see what kid it was, but it was probably a rattler. I never slept on the ground in the desert again!

I just ordered a Catoma Adventure Shelters IBNS mesh bivy! No more sleeping with the snakes for me. :)
Lol, that's like a classic cartoon moment. :mrgreen:
The first rule of survival is to survive. I you are sleepin' layin' out on a rock you ain't gonnna survive in many climates. Tents ain't 'xactly tactical, bivy is probably much better but if you have a one man tent that ain't bright orange, set up late and knock down early you aren't likely to be discovered. A tent will keep you dry, keep the bugs off and add some warmth. A good one man tent can weigh under 2lbs. A good sleeping bag can weigh a pound. The Thermarest Neoair weighs about 8 ounces.
I can have the exact same thing without a tent. But be able to hear someone coming better and deal with them, hopefully before they deal with me. With my tarp spread between some trees or bushes, tied off with 550, inside my sleeping bag if it's that cold, arms out, rifle in my hands or at my side, covered by my poncho liner. In a second I can throw off the poncho liner and put a bullet into them or shoot right through it (though I wouldn't want to). In the tent, I'd probably never even hear them if they were more careful and right on me, and I'm stuck trying to get out of the tent if I even can before they kill me. I predict a lot of dead tent goers when shtf and people are getting violent to survive. tents are nice when you've got a camp and people taking turns standing guard. Otherwise, your in a cocoon.
Good point about the guard I wont be traveling alone so I did have a guard planed but also the tent I have is actually really well adapted for defense if you have a gun I would also assume that it doesn't mess with my ability to hear significantly. I cant really describe it but its basically a tarp strung over a mosquito net "tent" but it does give a 360 and about 10+/- ft up from the lying down position just a guess I havnt slept in it for awhile. Didn't even realize that this might have been the reason for the tent being designed the way it was. Ive searched around the internet and found plenty of mosquito tents throw a tarp over the top and you've got it for the most part although I haven't found the exact one I have and will be taking much better care of it now. this is why I like this forum good discussions that lead to a hybrid solution in my mind.
Ditch all the tools and replace with a good multi-tool, like a Leatherman Wave. I like this model, because the knife blade can be opened with one hand, unlike other models.
I like a tarp over a tent too. IF set up so you can still see around you while you're laying down, you can gain the advantage of being able to see someone (at least their legs) while they can't see you. Besides, they are lighter, easier to carry, and more versatile.

I've had a snake climb into my sleeping bag before, and it's not fun. Actually, it's kind of a funny story, so...

I was in the desert near Ft Bliss Texas in my tank on some training thing. It was raining, which is very rare for the area, and my gunner's position leaked. I was getting this drip, drip, drip right on my head, which was driving me nuts, so I broke one of the cardinal rules of armor and decided to sleep on the ground. I grabbed our driver and told him I was gonna sleep under the tank... another big no no.

Anyway, sometime after that I was under there dry and warm in my Army bag and was awakened by something crawling around near my feet. My tired brain processed this as a snake, so I sat up quickly, smacking my skull on the underside of the tank, BONG! This dazed me a bit and kinda knocked me back down. When I had gathered what little wits I have, I tried to sit up again... BONG. After the second time, it finally dawned on me that I was under a tank and couldn't sit up, so I rolled over and set the world speed record for a low crawl. I distinctly remember passing the road runner and Wiley E Coyote as I crawled across the desert at like 300 miles per hour.

I went back later and shook out my bag. The snake slithered away fast so I didn't see what kid it was, but it was probably a rattler. I never slept on the ground in the desert again!

I just ordered a Catoma Adventure Shelters IBNS mesh bivy! No more sleeping with the snakes for me. :)
Did they ever fix the leak in the tank? :p
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