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By Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich

October 2005


In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

The best defense is to step outside all conflict... refuse to respond and their power is gone.
 

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That's deep.
 

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Deep but true. Obamacare passage is a great example of this method.
 

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Utter nonsense.

First of all, the dialectic method of argument has been around since before Plato. In Plato's "Republic," he says, "The dialectical method is discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject, who wish to establish the truth of the matter guided by reasoned arguments." Wow, sounds pretty dangerous, huh? Establishing the TRUTH through reasoned argument, OMG, not that!

Hegelian dialectics follow a specific pattern: thesis, antithesis, synthesis. The thesis and antithesis must each contain 2 concepts and these must be the opposite of each other, not merely in disagreement with each other. The synthesis then takes one concept from each as the final "truth." For example... thesis: potential + freedom, antithesis: actual + bondage, synthesis: actual + freedom. In practice, very few things in life have ever followed this pattern. It is, like most philosophy, a form of mental masturbation.

Marx's dialectical materialism bears little resemblance to Hegelian dialectics. In Marx's own words, "My dialectic method is not only different from the Hegelian, but is its direct opposite." (Capital, Afterword, Second German Ed., Moscow, 1970, vol. 1, p. 29) Claiming Marx and Engels used Hegelian dialectics to "back up" any part of their communist ideas is absurd.

"Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal." Dialogs are part of the dialectic process, yes. Consensus-building, terror, and intimidation have absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever. Dialectic method is a way to find truth, not consensus. (Of course, once truth is found, we can hope it will be the seed for an eventual consensus.)

Let's all link ideas we don't understand with totally unrelated spooky buzzwords like "dictatorship of the proletariat" and "privacy invasions" and my favorite, "outright assaults on individual liberty." I guess nobody bothered to inform the authors of this meaningless drivel that our founding fathers used basic dialectic principals to hammer out the details of our constitution.

PS: PAKRAT, none of this is directed at you. My comments are directed to the authors of the original article.
 

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PS: PAKRAT, none of this is directed at you. My comments are directed to the authors of the original article.
I appreciate this clarification and respect your review of the article, but now I'm trying to understand why the utter nonsense contained in the article makes complete sense to me and appears to be a fairly accurate template of the patterns I observe unfolding around the world. There may well be disconnects in the article that are glairingly obvious to the purest in such studies, but am I mistaken in the belief that every point of potential conflict between peoples on this planet is being intentionally hyped and exploited to achieve maximum unrest?

It's not clear to me... are you rejecting the application of Hegelian Dialect as laid out in the article or are you rejecting the notion that the vast majority of the people of the world are being played against each other for the benefit of a few whose agenda is to eventually control it all?

It appears to me that the solutions handed us are predetermined and the debates are pre-scripted charades to shape public opinion in support of the outcome. The thrust of the article seems to be to advise the reader against buying into the debates and therefore avoid being manipulated by the would be puppeteers. I'm the first to admit my ignorance on any number of subjects, but I have a hard time accepting that this is utter nonsense in view of world events.

Respectfully.
pakrat
 

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So if we are to reject the principals of the dialectic process, how will we resolve anything? I mean if the two sides of any difference won't sit down and present reasoned arguments in the hopes of reaching some sort of agreement, even if this involves compromise, then what system would you suggest to replace it?

The article closes with, "The best defense is to step outside all conflict... refuse to respond and their power is gone."

How the hell are we going to do that? Step outside all conflict? Are you suggesting that simply sticking our heads in the sand and pretending we live in a world without conflict will make it alright? Refuse to respond and they win. Refuse to get involved and we get our fates dictated to us by the very people we should oppose. No sir, I shall not sit idly by while the power mongers shove their agendas down my whimpering throat.

Hegelian dialectic method is a mental exercise with little application in the real world, but still, it has nothing to do with the New World Order, Communism, One World Government, Terrorism, or anything else as claimed in the article.

Yes, I think we are being played. Yes, many of the choices presented to us are illusions. This includes our politicians who are probably all working for the same team while pretending to be in opposition. But the way to resolve this is to get more involved with the process, not less involved.
 

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The problem associated with engaging progressives, socialist, communists, fascists etc. in dialogue is their uncanny ability to misrepresent meaning.
 
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