[Deebo]

Anyone here versed in the law? If you have an aftermarket gunvault installed in your vehicle, is a search warrant required to open vault.
Some of the new vaults offer a cable that locks the box under your seat..
Just wondering....
I know that the biggest mistake is allowing an officer permission to search your vehicle, but just wondering..

 

[Smitty901]

I have Nano vaults installed in all the auto and on the Motocycles. Main reason is there are some place I need to leave them out side.
Check the law each state is different . Most locked up and unloaded it is legal to transport. There are many out there . Nano has a cable that you mount to a secure place.
It then has a notch the cable slide into so you can leave the cable but remove the vault to carry the weapon in it.
Officers generally do not search unless you give them reason to.

 

[Infidel]

Yep Smitty's right, most officers won't even ask to search a vehicle unless you give them a reason to. In my lifetime I've been in one vehicle that police asked to search and it was when I was 18. 3 teenagers from out of state in a VW bus cruising around in the middle of the night generally will trip the suspicions of any LEO. There was nothing in the van but a handheld scanner which apparently was illegal there at the time. No harm no foul, they let us off with a warning and sent us on our way.

-Infidel

 

[Montana Rancher]

Unless you have something in plain view that gives a LEO reasonable cause, they need a search warrant or your permission to search your vehicle let alone a vault.
If you get stopped for any reason do not consent to a search and inform the officer you do not consent.

Do not hand your keys to the officer as that is consenting, even unlocking the door can be considered consenting in some states.

If a LEO asks you to give them your keys ask them "are you asking me to give them to you or are you ORDERING me to give them.

If he is asking, then simply refuse to do it. If he orders you to then comply and state as you hand them to him "I do not consent to a search"

That's a condensed version of the correct answer.

 

[Seneca]

The vehicle vaults are good to have, and some are better than others, the lock tab on the inexpensive one I bought came loose and I had to repair it. I'd be more worried about a parking lot thief popping a window and stealing my gun than the police wanting to search my vehicle.

 

[Smitty901]

An out of sight vault secure to the car or motorcycle will prevent loss in almost every case.
Truth is any thing can be stolen. Harley locked security system and front disk brake lock, they picked it up put it in a Uhaul. You never eliminate risk you manage it. The better you manage it the better the results.
LEO will search you and make up a PC latter that is for sure ,but I try to avoid them all together.
Like the Ohio video the officer was wrong out of line and breaking the law , but if you out a 0 dark 30 with a know hooker in the car in a bad area.
You are going to have problems. Don't make what he did any less wrong , just helps explain it.

 

[midtnfamilyguy]

After reading the posts I've decided to put in my 2 cents worth. Generally, law enforcement needs a search warrant to do searches, but there are certain ways that a search can be done without a warrant. And these have been upheld by the supreme court. The major one around not having a search warrant does involve automobiles. It involves exigent circumstances. Without getting in a lecture of search and seizure, it basically means that if one has probable cause and because of the circumstances surrounding it, you don't have time to obtain a warrant, i.e. the vehicle being movable, the delay in time of obtaining said warrant goes past the reasonable amount of time to conduct a traffic stop, a search can be made and will be legal. Granted, this will be brought up in court and the officer better have all his "I's" dotted and "T's" crossed because the scrutiny of this search will be extreme.

And yes Smitty there are bad LEO's out there that give us LEOs that think of our job as an honorable profession a bad name as there are also bad military members that do the same. It is that way in all professions. I'm taking it by your avatar that you were/are in the military, and if so I thank you for your service. I try not to let comments get to me because a lot of what people see about law officers are when the main stream media does an article on what some idiot does wrong, very rarely they show what a good officer does everyday.( Sorry for the rant, this is one of those days it hit me wrong and this is not meant to bash Smitty in any way, I don't even know him. I'm sure he is a good person) But with that being said I have over 25 years in law enforcement and I tell my family that if a LEO asks to search their car they do not have to submit and I know my kids have nothing to hide. But I know as well as everyone else there are bad officers out there and don't want to have to go through the hassle. I hopes this clears up some on the question asked.

 

[Smitty901]

After reading the posts I've decided to put in my 2 cents worth. Generally, law enforcement needs a search warrant to do searches, but there are certain ways that a search can be done without a warrant. And these have been upheld by the supreme court. The major one around not having a search warrant does involve automobiles. It involves exigent circumstances. Without getting in a lecture of search and seizure, it basically means that if one has probable cause and because of the circumstances surrounding it, you don't have time to obtain a warrant, i.e. the vehicle being movable, the delay in time of obtaining said warrant goes past the reasonable amount of time to conduct a traffic stop, a search can be made and will be legal. Granted, this will be brought up in court and the officer better have all his "I's" dotted and "T's" crossed because the scrutiny of this search will be extreme.

And yes Smitty there are bad LEO's out there that give us LEOs that think of our job as an honorable profession a bad name as there are also bad military members that do the same. It is that way in all professions. I'm taking it by your avatar that you were/are in the military, and if so I thank you for your service. I try not to let comments get to me because a lot of what people see about law officers are when the main stream media does an article on what some idiot does wrong, very rarely they show what a good officer does everyday.( Sorry for the rant, this is one of those days it hit me wrong and this is not meant to bash Smitty in any way, I don't even know him. I'm sure he is a good person) But with that being said I have over 25 years in law enforcement and I tell my family that if a LEO asks to search their car they do not have to submit and I know my kids have nothing to hide. But I know as well as everyone else there are bad officers out there and don't want to have to go through the hassle. I hopes this clears up some on the question asked.

Don't take it personal. After years as a1SG dealing with local police and soldier issue I have my point of view.
Also I ride a motorcycle, How many times have I been stopped at 3 am for no reason spread eagle accused of possible DUI when I don't ever drink.
Then get the I met the description of or my tail light was out. Just seems more and more LE has an agenda of it's own and law is about meaningless.
There are a few good ones left trying to do right. But Chief Flynn will deal with them and make sure they don't. All politics now.
Know the law have have the number of a good attorney in your wallet.

 

[Montana Rancher]

I know a lot of the LEO in my county and I give them the benifit of the doubt but any of the alphabet soup government agencies I don't trust they care about my well being.

 

[midtnfamilyguy]

I rarely take it personal,and I didn't take that personal. But every once in a while it strikes a nerve. I do understand your feeling but without knowing the exact circumstances behind the stop I don't like monday morning quarterbacking, but I could venture that is was a younger officer instead of one with some years under his belt. I know that is my opinion is that the younger officers are not/ were not trained like the older ones and they seem to have less respect also. and yes Montana if they don't answer to the locals I don't particulary put much faith in them also. I know this is off the thread post but thanks for letting me vent. and for those that served our great country THANK YOU.

 

[Meangreen]

Anyone here versed in the law? If you have an aftermarket gunvault installed in your vehicle, is a search warrant required to open vault.
Some of the new vaults offer a cable that locks the box under your seat..
Just wondering....
I know that the biggest mistake is allowing an officer permission to search your vehicle, but just wondering..

The quickest way into a vehicle is with consent from the driver but the officer/agent must ask permission through each locked area including locked containers. In other words if consent is given it doesn't mean the entire vehicle, trailer, ect. I always tell people to say no to a search because why allow a "fishing trip?" Ways into the vehicle are a dog alerts to the vehicle, a terry search of the immediate area in control of the driver or passenger for officer safety and with a warrant. Another of course is an inventory search after an arrest is made. Never consent and make the officer reveal his reasonable suspicion in the process of a warrant. To answer your question, a warrant is required to search a locked container in a vehicle if consent is not given and a dog doesn't "hit" on it. I could get into exigency of the circumstances but it was covered already.

 

[Deebo]

After reading the posts I've decided to put in my 2 cents worth. Generally, law enforcement needs a search warrant to do searches, but there are certain ways that a search can be done without a warrant. And these have been upheld by the supreme court. The major one around not having a search warrant does involve automobiles. It involves exigent circumstances. Without getting in a lecture of search and seizure, it basically means that if one has probable cause and because of the circumstances surrounding it, you don't have time to obtain a warrant, i.e. the vehicle being movable, the delay in time of obtaining said warrant goes past the reasonable amount of time to conduct a traffic stop, a search can be made and will be legal. Granted, this will be brought up in court and the officer better have all his "I's" dotted and "T's" crossed because the scrutiny of this search will be extreme.

And yes Smitty there are bad LEO's out there that give us LEOs that think of our job as an honorable profession a bad name as there are also bad military members that do the same. It is that way in all professions. I'm taking it by your avatar that you were/are in the military, and if so I thank you for your service. I try not to let comments get to me because a lot of what people see about law officers are when the main stream media does an article on what some idiot does wrong, very rarely they show what a good officer does everyday.( Sorry for the rant, this is one of those days it hit me wrong and this is not meant to bash Smitty in any way, I don't even know him. I'm sure he is a good person) But with that being said I have over 25 years in law enforcement and I tell my family that if a LEO asks to search their car they do not have to submit and I know my kids have nothing to hide. But I know as well as everyone else there are bad officers out there and don't want to have to go through the hassle. I hopes this clears up some on the question asked.

I have the utmost respect for all people, especially LEO, a relative is "the canine officer" in a close town, and I have only been searched a few times, granted I was a "bad person" then, and the locals knew i was a bad guy, now that that chapter is closed, I have nothing to hide, was just wondering becouse of a claim i saw on a vaults webpage, stating taht "a search warrent was needed to open their vaults in California..
To all LEO and soldiers out thier, and their families, I harbor the utmost respect, and have have "the best southern raised manners you have ever seen".
Where I came from, the two or three officers that gave me the most trouble, even thou I deserved it, were all busted in a "police escort for drug dealers" called "Delta blues police sting"..
Wow, just four days ago one of the officers was sentenced to 30 months in priosn, for escorting a known drug dealer, while in police car, and turns out dealer was informant,,,hmmm, yes there are good LEO and and bad, just like anything, damn now my dander is up.

 

[StarPD45]

Some places are using the dog "alert" when they want to search, whether the dog actually alerts or not. Who's going to argue with them. And don't forget that most of our paper "money" has traces of cocaine on it.
All you can do is keep a low profile.

 

[PrepperThyAngus]

Gun vaults are illegal and if found you could be tried for suspected drug trafficking...I think. Its serious business having hidden vaults in your vehicle.

Long but crazy store ahead...
Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. So the DEA Put Him in Prison | Threat Level | Wired.com

 

[Meangreen]

Gun vaults are illegal and if found you could be tried for suspected drug trafficking...I think. Its serious business having hidden vaults in your vehicle.

Long but crazy store ahead...
Alfred Anaya Put Secret Compartments in Cars. So the DEA Put Him in Prison | Threat Level | Wired.com

That would be hidden compartments and if their empty of contraband, there isn't shit any angency can do. The case posted above: The charge was conspiracy to commit.

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If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.
prev | nextIf two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. If, however, the offense, the commission of which is the object of the conspiracy, is a misdemeanor only, the punishment for such conspiracy shall not exceed the maximum punishment provided for such misdemeanor.