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Been reading up on this since going vegan (I'll mention the results in a later thread), but my gosh is there a lot to know about this.

I've heard about GMO's a few times over the years, and finally looked into it further. If you have the time, please read up on GMO's and how its causing the decline of American Farmers as well as long time health issues to people consuming the harvest. Seems to me, you'll be hearing that GMO's will be your next Tobacco cancers like we heard back in the late 70's.

If you notice on Burpee seeds website, this year they have "heirloom" section and they also have "organic" section. Thus, one not knowing about GMO's would think the organic section is the better of the bunch, but from what I'm understanding is they could have GMO traits in them. Someone told me also that Burpee claims they don't have GMO's in their seeds, but this is just from word of mouth. Also heard they are a subsidary of Monsanto.

How can one really determine if a seed has trait induced GMOs injected into their DNA? Any "startup prepper seed company" (as you see them sprouting up all over the web) can claim no GMOs to the general public, but whos to really knows unless you have access to chemical testing.
 

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Me and Hank actually took the dry corn from people's old thanksgiving wreaths and hulled it and planted it, some of this stuff hasn't been grown for near centuries and it's growing in the WINTER no lie. The two plants we experimented with last year were nailed by the drought but one got three heads on it before it withered up. We were shocked to see it this one we have left come back to life and grow about 7 feet tall, it has an ear of corn on it filling out. The going is slow but this thing could be a 150 year old seed or more. No telling hot it will behave. I know Monsanto stuff has been declared illegal in several Euro countries and Japan is looking at banning it as well. It's proven to cause gene damage and cancers.
 

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i am really confused by all this also, i have been wanting to buy some seeds but dont know which to buy. but i just want to buy a few of each seed not a whole bunch of seeds. i remember on some website i used to visit they had a seed swap program and some people would even just send you seeds for the price of the postage. all heirloom of course,but again do you know if they are the gmo or not? not really.
hopefully someone jumps pn here and gives a good clear easy to understand answer :).
 

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It never hurts to ask whomever your buying heirloom seeds from the history of them. They should know. The largest source of GMO seeds should be in the low grade seeds that will not produce reproductive seeds. So hopefully that will eliminate a majority of the problem in organic and heirloom seed markets.

But yeah. Never hurts to ask.
 

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Another source I contacted said that Monsanto seeds (aka GMO induced) are a 1 time plant. From what they said, you can take a Monsanto seed (say cucumber for instance), plant it one season and when the fruit comes out, you cut it open and take the seeds out of it, and if you plant those seeds again then they technically can sue you. This was not a confirmed source, but they said they read this somewhere.
 

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There's a site davesgarden.co m I think (I spaced the m out to not hyperlink Incase it's wrong. Just type it in the URL bar)

It has a list of seed companies that are linked to Monsanto. I read that something like 90% of seed companies are owned by them.

I've been saving seeds from old veggies. I bought 10 Roma tomatoes for $1. I saved seeds from the 2 biggest and juiciest ones, and have over 300 seeds. I took the bottom of a delicious onion, and replanted it. It currently is growing 3 more sprouts. Hopefully that's 3 more onions. I heard of people growing potatoes in a barrel, so when I get money, and need potatoes, I'm going to buy organic potatoes to use as seed potatoes. They say not to use store bought potatoes because they have been sprayed with stuff to prevent sprouting/rooting so they last longer. Organic should bypass this.

My question is though, if you plant cucumbers, and harvest the seeds and replant, if you're a small time Gardner, how will they know? Will they go into everyones yard and do genetic testing?
 

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There's a site davesgarden.co m I think (I spaced the m out to not hyperlink Incase it's wrong. Just type it in the URL bar)

It has a list of seed companies that are linked to Monsanto. I read that something like 90% of seed companies are owned by them.

I've been saving seeds from old veggies. I bought 10 Roma tomatoes for $1. I saved seeds from the 2 biggest and juiciest ones, and have over 300 seeds. I took the bottom of a delicious onion, and replanted it. It currently is growing 3 more sprouts. Hopefully that's 3 more onions. I heard of people growing potatoes in a barrel, so when I get money, and need potatoes, I'm going to buy organic potatoes to use as seed potatoes. They say not to use store bought potatoes because they have been sprayed with stuff to prevent sprouting/rooting so they last longer. Organic should bypass this.

My question is though, if you plant cucumbers, and harvest the seeds and replant, if you're a small time Gardner, how will they know? Will they go into everyones yard and do genetic testing?
Legally, they are not allowed to get the samples due to tresspassing laws, and Monsanto stated in similar lawsuits that it doesn't matter how the contamination of farmers crops took place, its still their genetics. Word is, they are having people go around and contaminating the crops on purpose to get rid of your small time farmers. I'm sure they don't go after raised beds, 10x10, and 20x20 plots though.

But, if you google out "Rodney Nelson's family Farm Monsanto", "Percy Schmeiser Farmer Monsanto", "Oakhurst Dairy Monsanto" you'll find these farmers were sued for the same fact.
 

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Another source I contacted said that Monsanto seeds (aka GMO induced) are a 1 time plant. From what they said, you can take a Monsanto seed (say cucumber for instance), plant it one season and when the fruit comes out, you cut it open and take the seeds out of it, and if you plant those seeds again then they technically can sue you. This was not a confirmed source, but they said they read this somewhere.
This is not technically, it is fact. In order to grow Monsanto GMO seed you need to sign a growers agreement, that dictates what you are refering to above. I know, I sign one every year.

Not only that, if you grow non GMO seeds on your property, and they get cross polinated by the GMO plants on the other side of the fence row, Monsanto can test your seeds, and if the genetic mutation is found in your seed they will sue you, and force you to pey them royalty.
 

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what about the seedlings you by from say walmart? i think they are burpee. what i want to know is if i buy a tomato seedling at a nursery or walmart and grow tomatoes and save a seed from it will the seed produce a plant that produces tomatoes the next season? i ha dno idea about this seed cross polination thing. i'm growing food for 2 people not mass production lol
 

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I believe the process of making seeded plants that do not reproduce is a miss nomer, as the sead for corn and soybeans are the method to plant the plant. you could not plant soybeans or corn, or any other plant if they do not reproduce, I know there have been studies on this, but I do not think it exists.
 

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Hello, I have done much research on this over about 2 years when I started hearing about it. It is true. And (most) of the seeds that you can purchase in your local stores are traced back to being owned by Monsanto. Monsanto had purchased these seed companies, BUT keep the names that you see on the packages. I have found lists and lists of companies that sell seeds, that I thought like the other prepper suggested, because it was organic that it was ok. Not true. They are very careful how they label these packages.They draw you in unknowingly. You think you've purchased a good reproduceable product, when infact you havent. I have even purchased some of these big seed names that say heirloom and i have continuously had very bad luck with them. You can get them to grow, but not reproduce. I have a couple of companies that I purchase from that I KNOW from experience and saving the seed for next year, that is what they say they are. I am not sure if others know but watched a documentary on Monsanto and found out that Monsanto is responsible for the product called "Round-Up"! They are masters of the agricultural world, and yes, sue anyone who has any seed or product that has cross pollinanted with their genectically modified seed. They are also the creators of the lovely "Agent-Orange" for any of you who knows anything about that,,,, Its horrifying!! And to know they have control of most of what we eat, is even more disturbing.. I have been working in the special needs area for over 16 years and see more and more children with certain disablities growing at an alrming rates. If you think of the foods that come through the grocery stores and the way they preserve these to have the longest shelf life is upseting. And then add the fact that these foods are grown from seed that are hybrid, what do we expect. I know it sounds almost crazy, but look at our society. They force flu shots each year, and was told by a few close friends who are dr's and nurses that what you get is last years strain. And each year there is stronger strain. Its a money maker. We vowed to stop taking them over 5 years ago, I believe your body and its immune system works best and will have stronger resistance if its not relying on all that garbage. I do still have colds and have had a long life history of bronchitis and pnemonia. Every year i could count on it. Since i quit take the flu shots, I have been healthier, no bronchitis or pnemonia in over 3 years. There is always potenial for it but, gonna ride with it, healthier and stronger now without taking all that crap. Your immune system learns to build on its own. I will quit, I could go on and on but if any of you get the chance go rent or purchase the documentary "Food Inc".. It definitely will change the way you look at what you eat!!! Its pretty scary to know that these people really do control what we eat and how its grown and whats on it!
 

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Hello, I have done much research on this over about 2 years when I started hearing about it. It is true. And (most) of the seeds that you can purchase in your local stores are traced back to being owned by Monsanto. Monsanto had purchased these seed companies, BUT keep the names that you see on the packages. I have found lists and lists of companies that sell seeds, that I thought like the other prepper suggested, because it was organic that it was ok. Not true. They are very careful how they label these packages.They draw you in unknowingly. You think you've purchased a good reproduceable product, when infact you havent. I have even purchased some of these big seed names that say heirloom and i have continuously had very bad luck with them. You can get them to grow, but not reproduce. I have a couple of companies that I purchase from that I KNOW from experience and saving the seed for next year, that is what they say they are. I am not sure if others know but watched a documentary on Monsanto and found out that Monsanto is responsible for the product called "Round-Up"! They are masters of the agricultural world, and yes, sue anyone who has any seed or product that has cross pollinanted with their genectically modified seed. They are also the creators of the lovely "Agent-Orange" for any of you who knows anything about that,,,, Its horrifying!! And to know they have control of most of what we eat, is even more disturbing.. I have been working in the special needs area for over 16 years and see more and more children with certain disablities growing at an alrming rates. If you think of the foods that come through the grocery stores and the way they preserve these to have the longest shelf life is upseting. And then add the fact that these foods are grown from seed that are hybrid, what do we expect. I know it sounds almost crazy, but look at our society. They force flu shots each year, and was told by a few close friends who are dr's and nurses that what you get is last years strain. And each year there is stronger strain. Its a money maker. We vowed to stop taking them over 5 years ago, I believe your body and its immune system works best and will have stronger resistance if its not relying on all that garbage. I do still have colds and have had a long life history of bronchitis and pnemonia. Every year i could count on it. Since i quit take the flu shots, I have been healthier, no bronchitis or pnemonia in over 3 years. There is always potenial for it but, gonna ride with it, healthier and stronger now without taking all that crap. Your immune system learns to build on its own. I will quit, I could go on and on but if any of you get the chance go rent or purchase the documentary "Food Inc".. It definitely will change the way you look at what you eat!!! Its pretty scary to know that these people really do control what we eat and how its grown and whats on it!
Great thread. I've watched the documentary this weekend "The world according to Monsanto" with all the scientific studies and mishaps, lies that they produced. Autism, food allergies, weird cancers are at a all time high. 30 years from now, the world will find out that GMO seeds are your next tobacco cancers. Its just said the world doesn't look into this right now.

Lae712, is there a place that you could recommend to purchase seeds that you think are not GMO induced?
 

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Very true, most all seeds have beed bastardized with "Roundup" or to be more accurate the seedlings and resulting plants will be "Roundup" resistant. So the fruit and vegatables has "Roundup in them as well". This is to allow the farmers and conglomerate food producters to spray the hell out of those very plants with...., you guessed it... "Roundup" Any farmer trying to save seeds gets sued, and all the while Monsanto acquire seed companies every day. It has been suggested that Monsanto has tossed their seeds in Organic and Non-Monsanto fields to not only contaminate those fields, but to collect royalty payments from those farmers who avoid using their bastardized seeds. Most any farmer trying to do the right thing gets hammered by lawsuits. Another fine example of special interest groups and pacs running this country into the ground.
I have a good friend here in Texas who won't give her daughter milk because of all the added hormones. They make little girls develope breast/hit puberty prematurely. They drink soy milk or certified organic milk. Don't get me started on corn-fed beef... Watch "Food Inc."and it will have you thinking twice about going to "McDonalds". I'm jus sayin'...



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what about the seedlings you by from say walmart? i think they are burpee. what i want to know is if i buy a tomato seedling at a nursery or walmart and grow tomatoes and save a seed from it will the seed produce a plant that produces tomatoes the next season? i ha dno idea about this seed cross polination thing. i'm growing food for 2 people not mass production lol
Most of the seeds and seedlings that you buy at wally world are Hybrids...two or more strains that have been combined into one taking the best traits from the parent plants. Seeds from these are usually sterile but a few will inevitably sprout. When they do if they produce at all they will revert back more like one of the parent stock plants. Its kind of like mating a black Rat to a white Rat. The off spring, 50% will come out both black and white, 25% will come out White and another 25% will come out Black in theory. Sorta the same pricipal at work here.

Most Big Box stores are now starting to cater to the Heirloom seed market out there so you may find some. But its definitely a buyer beware kind of market. You have to read the packaging very careful as the slick marketing they sometimes use can lead you to believe your getting something when in reality you aint. "Organically grown" doesnt neccesarily mean non-GMO seeds! It more than likely means we didnt drown them in chemicals growing the parents but they might have very well be grown feet away from GMO crops that cross pollinated them and contaminated them. So shop wisely and shop carefully and do your research before investing.
 

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Great thread. I've watched the documentary this weekend "The world according to Monsanto" with all the scientific studies and mishaps, lies that they produced. Autism, food allergies, weird cancers are at a all time high. 30 years from now, the world will find out that GMO seeds are your next tobacco cancers. Its just said the world doesn't look into this right now.

Lae712, is there a place that you could recommend to purchase seeds that you think are not GMO induced?
This documentary is next on my viewing list.and I thought I was on top of things. Check out all documentaries on water, you will see how we all will pay more for water than we now pay for gasoline. We will be subject to multinational corporations mainly based in Europe. They are privatizing water in 3rd world nations under the guise of debt forgiveness and charity but all the while toppling goverments and taking control or guess what? no water for you! (water nazi's) The culprits here are corps like Vivindi, Coca-cola, Pepsi, and the like.The price for a Coke in these countries is pennies as they have to coerce the populace to try and eventually buy Coke. The price for bottled water is outrageously high because the populace drinks water and find Coke to be too sweet or forein tasting. The funny thing is, Coke takes over the water to have a reliable, safe ingredient to make their Soda water. They make more selling water than to process the water to make soda. Of course the U.N. is behind all this. They go into the 3rd nations seemingly to help but eventually the local people go from free questionable water to expensive processed water. WHen they can't pay they find their formerly questionable water is now toxic waste water from the water nazi's. The U.N. refuses to support, "access to clean water a basic human right", Why you may ask? Because its not profitable to do so. Screw the U.N!

In this country many local city governments both large and small are privatizing their water to these water nazi's because they do not want to maintain or modernize their water treatment plants and capability. Subbing it out if you will to save money. No employees, no insurance, no unions all the while entrenching themselves into the water needs of the city to the point that the tail wags the dogs. We will all get outrageous water bills and the cities will be in no position to regain control of the treatment plant as all the equipment will be either proprietary or they won't have any trained water engineers to take control of the treatment plant. In other words, "We're all screwed!" Lets all be vigilant prepper's

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There is one that I can always count on and always get reproducing seed from. They are Livingston Seed Co. I checked to make sure they were not on the "list". After learning all of the other i always double check, just dont want to support them in anyway possible. Livingston does not sell online you can only purchase in stores they sell to. But my favorite store of all time carries only Livingston Seed!! Rural King. They are a farm and fleet... They have quite a few spread across the midwest. I havent even really thought about looking to see where else they are located, but you can order thru Rural King website. Just always make sure they say heirloom on the package. I know they are good, repeatedly have reproduced from their seed. Also another good one is Botanical Interests. They have a great website and you can request a yearly catalog from them. There seed has worked well too. If you have a chance and are near a Rural King hit it up and check it out. I purchase everything there from veggie seed, grazing seed, livestock feed, hunting gear and ammo, camping gear, fishing equiptment, clothing, hardware and all small farm equiptment (holding tanks etc.)... Great place!!
 

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You are so very Welcome!:mrgreen: If anyone else here has any other good ones, please pass them on.. Have seeds now emerging that are saved seed from Livingston that is getting ready to into my aquaponics system!! Good Luck All..
 

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SeedSavers.org offers heirloom seeds. Just stick to buying heirloom seeds and you should be good to go. Then, learn how to save your own seeds. If the SHTF, you'll still have seeds and know how to keep replenishing your supply.
 
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