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I will preface this by saying 10 years ago I lost my job unexpectedly and reluctantly applied for food stamps. I was given 124.00 a month to feed myself on while trying to find a job and get on my feet again. If not for this benefit I would have been in a bad bad situation. So I am not saying food stamps are bad, I am saying this would cut out a lot of waste and stop crack heads from using our tax dollars to fund their criminal activity....

We should go back to what we used to do.... every saturday at pre determined locations, holders of food stamp benefits were given commodities.... Milk, flour, sugar, bread, cheese, beans, rice and a few canned veggies. This was enough to sustain someone, not have a party with it, but you were given basics. If we stopped giving out debit cards and started this system again, the cost of the program would decrease, people would get what they needed and fraud was almost non existent. And I think you would see lazy people or those that use the system stop using it because it would mean standing in line, and not getting what you want but only what you need.
 

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terrific idea. I agree that they are a benifit and a life line for those in a desprit situation, but often abused by those who don't need them.. Why not use that food they let rot in the fields so they can drive prices up?
 

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Sounds like a perfect idea. We needed food stamps once too, and I would have gladly just gone and picked up what we needed to survive. Well, as long as there weren't protesters throwing rotten tomatoes or something. People can be ruthless.
 

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LOL I knew you were a democrat in disguise ..... just kidding.

My partner works as a Manager at The Fresh Market... a high end grocery store that sells such things as olive oil that is 80.00 a bottle. Last year they started accepting food stamps. The clientelle changed to hood rats and their revenue went up almost 70 percent. That should tell you the system as it is.now is a failure.
 

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Tho my family was never rich or well off when i was growing up, my father always made sure we had food in our home and we never had to apply for food stamps..But we did at times when i was a child drive by the building where people had to stand in line for their food..I remember seeing little old ladies in the snow waiting in line or a mom with 4 kids in line..With this in mind i think the EBT cards is a good idea tho i do believe Milk, flour, sugar, bread, cheese, beans, rice and veggies should be the only things bought..I don't think you need to make people stand in line to prove or appreciate the help. We also need a better way to make sure they so called right items are purchased and don't abuse the system..From what i have seen of the undercover abuse of this system..When the government is teaching people how to cheat and condones it for votes well then is it really the peoples fault that are using the food stamps for the wrong stuff?? A little FOOD for thought..:???:
 

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The problem with giving cash benefits like the EBT program is that people have no incentive to find deals, clip coupons, stop buying name brand everything. If you provide the basics..... the fraud goes away.

Although when I was on the program I was approved for three months, I found a job and got off stamps in just one month... but one thing I noticed perplexed me..... you cannot buy toilet paper on food stamps. They will take care of food going in, but food coming out is a different story I guess LOL.
 

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When the government is teaching people how to cheat and condones it for votes well then is it really the peoples fault that are using the food stamps for the wrong stuff?? A little FOOD for thought..:???:
While the government has blame, the people aren't without it.

I can teach you how to hot-wire a car and encourage you to use that knowledge to steal yourself some fancy new wheels, but you'd know better. If though, you decided to do it anyways you'd deserve the jail time (as would I).

But you do make a great point about the old and frail.
 

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Im pretty old I was seventeen before our home had electricity poor was normal to my brother my sister and me I remember eating meadow larks for dinner my dad said they were quail boniest damn quail I ever ate But my dad never took a handout never accepted foodstamps commodities or the guberment cheese, we never went without a meal mom cooked over a wood stove, its called pride and pride is good pride makes you strong pride makes you believe that no matter how bad things are life is pretty damn good and meadow larks aint bad eating.
 

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Federal parks and wildlife it is against the law to feed the animals in the federal parks because the animals become dependent on being fed and cannot forage for themselves.
 

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Thanks PaulS I do enjoy debating with you.
Federal parks and wildlife it is against the law to feed the animals in the federal parks because the animals become dependent on being fed and cannot forage for themselves.
 

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Now to put this into perspective my granny rode across the plains in a covered wagon and went through a couple of indian skirmishes and lived long enuff to see me man land on the moon she never drove a car she walked or rode a mule evrywhere she went she loved to fish.
Im pretty old I was seventeen before our home had electricity poor was normal to my brother my sister and me I remember eating meadow larks for dinner my dad said they were quail boniest damn quail I ever ate But my dad never took a handout never accepted foodstamps commodities or the guberment cheese, we never went without a meal mom cooked over a wood stove, its called pride and pride is good pride makes you strong pride makes you believe that no matter how bad things are life is pretty damn good and meadow larks aint bad eating.
 

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They're called Food Banks in Canada, and they work off donations more than federal support. That doesn't mean it's socialist, because you're not required to donate. Those who don't want to, don't have to. But some do and then it's given to families who have some level of proof they need it. It's not a rigorous process from what I understand, so I'm sure they have some people abusing the system (you always will), but at least they're not handing out iPads.
 

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I will preface this by saying 10 years ago I lost my job unexpectedly and reluctantly applied for food stamps. I was given 124.00 a month to feed myself on while trying to find a job and get on my feet again. If not for this benefit I would have been in a bad bad situation. So I am not saying food stamps are bad, I am saying this would cut out a lot of waste and stop crack heads from using our tax dollars to fund their criminal activity....

We should go back to what we used to do.... every saturday at pre determined locations, holders of food stamp benefits were given commodities.... Milk, flour, sugar, bread, cheese, beans, rice and a few canned veggies. This was enough to sustain someone, not have a party with it, but you were given basics. If we stopped giving out debit cards and started this system again, the cost of the program would decrease, people would get what they needed and fraud was almost non existent. And I think you would see lazy people or those that use the system stop using it because it would mean standing in line, and not getting what you want but only what you need.
Why, it's clear you don't understand Liberal Logic:

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

Give a man a welfare check, food stamps, Section 8 housing and 100 weeks of unemployment benefits and he will vote Democratic for a lifetime.
 

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I don't see food stamps as a bad thing per se.

It's great for the people that actually need it. I needed it for a bit after much resistance. I got food stamps for 1 month, bought 2 months worth of staples. This all while I was clearing my yard for room for fruit trees and a garden.

I seen it as a help when I needed it. Not my lifestyle.


Now, I remember about 7-8 years ago. A friend asked me to take him somewhere. It ended up being the welfare office. I remember he went in there to get benefits. He was 18-19 and way overweight. Probably could have gotten disability. Yeah. That kind of overweight.

Anyways, I remember the social worker telling my friend "Dude. You're giving us Mexicans a bad name. You're capable of working. Go get a job."

And this was in L.A. Haha. He did get benefits though. He wasn't on it very long. We were living in a motel room in Lakewood California. Century inn. I was working a full time job, paying for the room and making a truck payment. No money for food. It was me, him, his mom and his sister and her toddler son.

I don't know. I'd hate to see people that were elderly or extremely disabled to stand in cold weather or rain/snow to prove they need help. I used to volunteer and eat at a church where they held a "feeding" on Sundays to the poor and homeless. There were people there dressed in suits, freshly shaven, freshly laundered suits. Maybe they dressed nice cause it was Sunday. But then there were people that looked like walking death. So who would you judge as really needing it?

Ps. My mom used to know a lot of homeless people. Some of the worst looking ones had apartments or rooms. The best dressed ones had encampments. The ones in tents had solar showers, composting toilets, and very nice clothes.
 

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Why, it's clear you don't understand Liberal Logic:

Give a man a fish and feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime.

Give a man a welfare check, food stamps, Section 8 housing and 100 weeks of unemployment benefits and he will vote Democratic for a lifetime.
Nothing wrong with supporting those in need but hey lets get something out of them. Don't work and collect welfare?, well than you have lots of free time. Mandatory 40hrs of community service before you get your check. Maybe some of these neighborhoods wouldn't look like third world countries if every freeloader picked up a broom and cleaned up some garbage.
 

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It looks like 10% of food stamps recipients are single mothers. What about them, though? That's one of the big problems with blanket solutions. Sure, they could get a job, but what about child care? Have you heard of daycare syndrome? Kids don't thrive in daycare. What about the cost of daycare? I pay $10/hour for a private babysitter right now. I'd feel lucky to find a $15/hour job in town, I mean, that'd be great pay for our area. How do you make those numbers work?

Child support from the father is based on his income, so if he's a lout, that single mother bears a huge burden to provide for her kids. In my mind, that's what the welfare system is intended for. Not, of course, the ones who have babies just to get more money, but the down on her luck single mom who, perhaps, chose leaving over staying in an abusive marriage (a friend of mine is in this situation now).
 

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It looks like 10% of food stamps recipients are single mothers. What about them, though? That's one of the big problems with blanket solutions. Sure, they could get a job, but what about child care? Have you heard of daycare syndrome? Kids don't thrive in daycare. What about the cost of daycare? I pay $10/hour for a private babysitter right now. I'd feel lucky to find a $15/hour job in town, I mean, that'd be great pay for our area. How do you make those numbers work?

Child support from the father is based on his income, so if he's a lout, that single mother bears a huge burden to provide for her kids. In my mind, that's what the welfare system is intended for. Not, of course, the ones who have babies just to get more money, but the down on her luck single mom who, perhaps, chose leaving over staying in an abusive marriage (a friend of mine is in this situation now).
How about crossing your legs and using protection? Don't let every Tom, Dick and Harry have a go? Save yourself until you are married or at least with someone who isn't a complete scumbag.

Why is it my tax burden to take care of these people who make poor decisions?
 

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Because it isn't always that cut and dried. Every woman who bears children is not a whore. My kids all have the same dad and I was married to him for years before we had our first. What if, a few years down the line, fed up with the stress of unemployment that he'd been through, he decided to start beating me, or, even worse, my kids? How would I have foreseen that? It happens all the time. My friend had no idea her husband would be abusive until many years later. She held on until it seemed she would survive only if she left. She should have kept her legs crossed? How is that her fault? Would you look her in the eye and tell her tough luck? Stay and be beaten until you die in order to keep your kids fed, because you don't deserve help.
 
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