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Found a FN Five Seven and bought it, $1,299 plus tax . . . no ammo.

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Comes in a nice fitted plastic case with three mags, owners manual and cable lock, one fired case. Owners manual is very Glockish.

It looks very much like a pellet gun I bought at Walmart. The slide is plastic on the outside with metal barrel and liner. Adjustable sights, ambidextrious safety and mag release than can be changed to left. Overall, slightly longer (1/2") than standard sized Glock grip length the same. Has assessory rail. Weighs sligtly less than Glock 22 672g vs 724g unloaded with magazine. Safety is where you can't reach it with your thumb, only trigger finger. Sights are very tall and rear sight looks a little fragile. Slide releason only right handed. Take down is very Glockish.
 

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Did you look at the 22TCM by Rock Island? Half the cost, better performance. Sorry to late.
 

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Have you shot it yet? I hear they're designed to have very low felt recoil. Which seems to be one of FN's priority in many of their guns. Plus it's nice having a 20 round mag instead of a ~10 round mag that you'd be using with a 1911 or Glock 45. That said, sidearms are sidearms. In SHTF, a sidearm is just what you use to get back to your rifle.
 

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I did a test on some commercially available ammo. I shot 2 rnd on each the protector and penetrator came from Elite Ammunition.
5.7x28 compareson
FiveSeveN pistol
ss195lf 28gr 1972fps and 1951fps around 233 ft/lbs
ss192 28gr 2041fps and 2071fps around 253 ft/lbs
protector 40gr 2010fps and 1996fps around 358 ft/lbs
penetrator 55gr 1600fps and 1574fps around 307 ft/lbs

PS90
ss195lf 28gr 2389fps and 2332fps around 334 ft/lbs
ss192 28gr 2472fps and 2495fps around 369 ft/lbs
protector 40gr 2537fps and 2544fps around 573 ft/lbs
penetrator 55gr 2017 fps and 2002fps around 493 ft/lbs

The FiveSeveN and PS90 has hardly any kick and you can keep it on target very easy the pistol holds 20 rnds with an available 10 rnd extension the PS90 holds 50 rnds.

 

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I shot a couple magazines through one and wasnt impressed . As far as a SHTF gun, I cant think of a worse choice. Where would you ever get ammo? And at what price?
 

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I haven't shot it yet and, yes, ammo can be a problem both in availability and price. A local gun shop doesn't bend you over much and sells it at normal retail around $40/box of 50 for FN stuff. I bought it mostly for a toy and out of curiousity.

It got me curious when the 22TCM was mentioned. Leave it to yankee ingeniuty. Energy is mass x velocity squared. Using 9 mm as a standard, 115g bullet @ about 1,000 fps, to get the same energy at 1,500 fps you need 51g bullet and at 2,000fps a 29g bullet. It seems that .17 is a little too small because of barrel fouling. I wonder how long 'til someone else develops a round that will feed through a 1911 single stack mag. Maybe a .308 necked down to .22. What can FN do that Colt can't do better.
 

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I haven't shot it yet and, yes, ammo can be a problem both in availability and price. A local gun shop doesn't bend you over much and sells it at normal retail around $40/box of 50 for FN stuff. I bought it mostly for a toy and out of curiousity.

It got me curious when the 22TCM was mentioned. Leave it to yankee ingeniuty. Energy is mass x velocity squared. Using 9 mm as a standard, 115g bullet @ about 1,000 fps, to get the same energy at 1,500 fps you need 51g bullet and at 2,000fps a 29g bullet. It seems that .17 is a little too small because of barrel fouling. I wonder how long 'til someone else develops a round that will feed through a 1911 single stack mag. Maybe a .308 necked down to .22. What can FN do that Colt can't do better.
The 22TCM. you're using a 1911 firearm that weighs 38 ounces UNLOADED, to the 5.7s 26 ounces FULLY LOADED. It's nice you can order a 9mm barrel to go with it, but I see no advantage of the .22 TCM over the FiveseveN a 40gr bullet from a Fiveseven matches the velocity of a 40gr bullet from 22tcm from a shorter barrel. You are also limited to a 40gr or larger bullet because of the magazine width. FiveseveN has some high velocity 28gr bullets.

Quote: "What can FN do that Colt can't do better". FN supplies 75% of the US military small arms. I don't see Colt doing much design and research seems to be more of just a mfg company. Where as FN has put many new items on the market in recent years. FiveSeven, PS90, FS2000, Scar-16, Scar-17. They have a complete line in rifles, pistols, shotguns, machine guns. They only make higher end guns mostly designed for military or police use around the world.
 

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I like the 5.7 very much.. Is it the best shtf weapon. Probably not. But 20 rounds and you can hit a milk jug at 100yds all day long is pretty nice. You will have haters talkin about it but I am a fan of them.. They are lots of fun to play with.. Another one I like is the 4.6x30. I had a chance to use a MP7 in 4.6 and it was a joy to shoot!! If I could pick two outside the norm" rounds. the 5.7 and 4.6 would be the ones I add to my collection..
 

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I have several 22's in pistol and rifle - that I can find ammo for - what would make me want to buy one I can't get ammo to shoot?
 

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Do they shoot more than 2,000 fps? Ammo is probaby about has hard to get as 9mm 'round here.
 

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Certainly ain't pretty but is was designed as a tool for a specific purpose. FN had a good idea and the resources to work with. They developed a cartridge that was the minimum diameter to fit a small primer and short enough to feed through a semi-auto pistol, ie, no longer than 45 ACP. It would be interesting to see someone take it a step further to a .20 or .17 caliber. If you were facing a adversary wearing body armor I can't think of a better sidearm.

What if you took a Glock 22, 40 S&W or Glock 31 in .357 Sig and necked it down to shoot the .25 caliber 60 grain bullet. You ought to get 2,000 fps + and all you would need is a barrel from Fox and some dies from RCBS, 15 rds with standard magazine.
 

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So you get the muzzle blast and flash of a 357 magnum and a bullet that is the weight of a 22LR...... the worst of both worlds?

I have some "off-beat" calibers just because I enjoy them but I also have calibers that are very functional.
 

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You also get a round that weighs little, has little recoil and penetrates stuff like body armor and car bodies. Did you hear about the Ft. Hood shooting?

I'm gonna get one of the 22TCM from Rock Island. I might use this FN Five-seveN for tradin' material.
 
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