Defending your home

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KennethDNunn

Discussion Starter · Dec 29, 2012

Since everyone seems to have a lot of firearms I am assuming the main purpose for these weapons will be for defending your homes in the event SHTF and anarchy results....since history has proven a residents is basically indefensible ....swat personal...Seals and CIA will tell you the same thing.....I also assume most of you are stockpiling supplies in your home and therefore plan on surviving in your homes.....I am curious as to how everyone plans on defending their home....for myself and my family we I plan on surviving in a remote location and waiting it out....

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Lucky Jim

· #2 · Dec 29, 2012

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KennethDNunn said:
..I am curious as to how everyone plans on defending their home....for myself and my family we I plan on surviving in a remote location and waiting it out....

My flat is in this pic, (I'd better not say exactly where in case orbiting aliens are monitoring this website and I don't want to get abducted), but my point is that every one of us lives in different places (city/town/village/countryside etc) and will have to play things by ear depending on what type of disaster hits us.
For example I live 50 yards from the Atlantic, but as I'm on an upper floor my feet will hopefully stay dry if sea levels rise or a tsunami rolls in.
If it's an economic breakdown or loss of power and water because of a solar flare i'll sit tight living off my stored food/water/batteries, listening to news reports on my battery radio for a couple of weeks and wait for the government to fix things, heck they'll probably even get food relief convoys coming into the cities.
In short, I'll play everything by ear and only get out of the city if I HAVE to, due to some major longterm apocalypse. I won't be able to eat concrete, so scavenging around the countryside for the odd turnip is my only hope..

If it's winter when I have to get out, I'd better remember to pack a spare pair of warm socks..

"Wars, rumours of wars, false christs, earthquakes, famines, persecutions,darkened sun and moon, falling stars,shaken planets.
Pray that this will not take place in winter, because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning until now-and never to be equaled again.
Be on guard! Be alert! You do not know when that time will come.
What I say to you, I say to everyone: 'Watch!"- Jesus of Nazareth, Mark ch 13

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Smitty901

· #3 · Dec 29, 2012

You can defend very well if you know how and are prepared. We will defend much more than just the houses you will never get that close.
Big difference in being in a pack city or where we will be.
Swat and the like only do well against a poorly trained under arm target . To much TV being watched. Real world is not the same.

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LunaticFringeInc

· #4 · Dec 29, 2012 (Edited)

So your really that convienced that maurading bands of looters are going to be rolling 20 plus deep with Sniper Teams, entry teams, equiped with automatic state of the art weapontry, flash bangs, tear gas and all kinds of other goodies roaming the streets looking for you?

Im not saying you cant be over ran by a large enough group of armed looters looking to rape pillage and plunder, you can. But while you may not have quiet the weapontry a SWAT team has, there are some of us here that have extensive combat training that with a couple of buddies for back up could easily make a group of ten armed looters pay a very dear price for any rewards they may reap as a result of attacking you if you have a well built home and aint caught with your pants down around your ankles.

But as the Lone Stranger...you probably are screwed! You will need some help. You will need a home that is defendable. You will need some good weapons and a thorough understanding of tactics in order to flip the script and go from defense to offense. If a group from a Crips set can hold and control a block in LBC, so can you if you want it bad enough. You dont have to be a soft target...and you dont have to have any mercy either when push comes to shove.

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Smitty901

· #5 · Dec 29, 2012 (Edited)

What most forget is Homey and his bangers can't hit the broad side of a barn. They are for the most part untrained and unskilled. The rule the streets in the city now with fear. If anyone stood up to them it would not be like it is.
When Homey wanders outside his little world he will fail. Homey will not last a day in my world. I invite him to try.
If you plan to be around long after the SHTF you best bet is to be out side the City .
The term shooting fish in a barrel come to mind. Get out of the City if you can, that is where it will start that is where it will end. Even in country's like Iraq those that lived out side major city's got by pretty well and still do they draw a line in the sand and that is one you will not cross .
Mercy is for long after the fight is over.

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AquaHull

· #6 · Dec 29, 2012

Remember to Cheat too.

Lucky Jim

· #7 · Dec 29, 2012 (Edited)

AquaHull said:
Remember to Cheat too.

Yeah, rule number one is FORGET the hollywood baloney you've seen in films, and do things YOUR way!
"When you're in command, COMMAND!"- Adm Chester Nimitz

I also like von Richthofen's attitude when faced with endless patrols of Allied fighters coming into German territory in WW1- "It is good that the customer comes to the shop!" because it suggests there's no need to go making a target of yourself by chasing round looking for trouble, let trouble come to you..

Another thing:- you USA guys with guns will have things so EASY when it hits the fan, all you have to do is point a gun at an intruder on your property and blow his head off, whereas we poor slobs in Britain have got no guns and will have to tackle him with cumbersome slower alternatives like bows and arrows, spears, clubs, knives, booby traps and stuff like the final scenes in Arnie vs Predator!

Southern Dad

· #8 · Dec 29, 2012

A home is difficult to defend because of limited viewpoints. You can't see an approach from the front and rear at the same time plus the sides. Often because of the garage you have an entire side that is blind. Take a look at it from the other side. You're a ne'er-do-well wanting to get to your house undetected. Look at the windows, determine how you can get to the house. There are multiple access points; windows, doors, patios, basement windows, etc. Are there bushes, shrubs, trees and other things that will provide cover in your yard? That gazebo that your wife really likes today would provide excellent cover for a shooter from you.

Bushes hide the front of the house but make great cover for burglars. Remove them. Figure out the field of fire for each window. Know the overlaps. A cupola would be excellent for making a home, cabin or whatever perfect for home defense. Think about whether your own privacy fence could become a cover location for firing at your home.

hayden

· #9 · Dec 29, 2012

Jim, I'm confused by this picture of your flat. Don't you guys drive on the wrong side of the road? These drivers seem to be driving like a bunch of Yankees. Maybe that big white line in the other lane is a do not drive zone?

rebnavy1862

· #10 · Dec 29, 2012

It would not be healthy for home boys to come to my neck of the woods. They would obviously stand out and attract much attention. They wouldn't stand a chance. I don't see homeys taking casualties and sticking around to finish the fight. Two years ago some city lowlifes had a flat tire in front of the farm next to me. The farm was for sale so the house was unocuppied. The homeys got out of their car and started to check out the property, peeking in windows, etc. This had nothing to do with changing a tire. I went outside my house with a shot gun and a lawn chair and proceeded to sun myself. Not threatening, just observing. I've never seen a tire get changed so fast.

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Denton

· #11 · Dec 29, 2012

Doesn't make sense to hunker down in a dwelling that won't stop a rifle shot. Most American homes won't. A lot of folks don't even realize that their brick veneer exterior is no help in a firefight.

Back in the 80s, I was a dog handler at security sites in Germany. We didn't wait for the bad guys to walk up to the structures and try to get in. My job was to prevent any terrorist from making it through the woods surrounding a site. Makes sense.
No need in waiting for a band of thugs to get on your doorstep. You're in trouble if that happens. You can't be the only sheepdog watching the flock, either. You're going to be in trouble in that case, too.

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KennethDNunn

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 29, 2012

There are a number of problems with defending your home.....first you are right if SHTF the bad guys will most likely be well armed....they will have stolen every firearm not nailed down....pawn shops, WalMrt, armories, police stations and etc....second if you read the Forum many of the Forum people have stated they are armed in order to take what they want from the ones who have ...a lot of well trained Folks will take advantage of the situation...alot of the street hoods are Military trained....a lot of these people will be doped, desperate, hungry, scared, ....makes them extremely dangerous....third most of todays houses offer little more protection from a bullet than a tent....and the kicker is all it will take is one Molotov cocktail...an every one knows how to make on of those....

Lucky Jim

· #13 · Dec 29, 2012

hayden said:
Jim, I'm confused by this picture of your flat. Don't you guys drive on the wrong side of the road? These drivers seem to be driving like a bunch of Yankees. Maybe that big white line in the other lane is a do not drive zone?

Them cars are parked, (often illegally) but the driver usually sits inside ready to drive off quick when he sees a traffic warden coming to book him.
The big white line is always there on google street view, if anybody knows how to get rid of it let me know

Denton

· #14 · Dec 29, 2012

By the way, do not expect all thugs or gangs to be ill trained with weapons or tactics.
Organized gangs have made it a point to send members into military service for training.
Don't assume every serviceman is a God fearing, flag-waving nephew of ol' Uncle Sam, either.

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Sr40ken

· #15 · Dec 29, 2012

Single family homes with one family inside will be hard to defend. Most of the military surplus 5.56 will sing right through most walls. If you have two armed badguys after you it won't turn out well, depending on how hungry they are. Flexability is key, the situation may be fluid, you need to be able to adapt. Groups of families will do better than singles. For me and the wife we have several destinations and aren't counting on one scenario, heck it could be combinations of.

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Denton

· #16 · Dec 29, 2012

Absolutely. Networking with others, having other sites established for changes in the situation.

SR, by the looks of your listed location, you are many steps ahead of most!

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rice paddy daddy

· #17 · Dec 29, 2012

The wife and I worked hard and did without so we could realize our dream of a small farm in the country. This is as good a place to die as any, and better than most.
Bring it.

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Sr40ken

· #18 · Dec 29, 2012 (Edited)

Denton said:
Absolutely. Networking with others, having other sites established for changes in the situation.

SR, by the looks of your listed location, you are many steps ahead of most!

The Ozark mountains served my grandpa well in the late 1800 early 1900s I figure they could possbily do the same for me, but we also have farm land up north. We also have access to river bottom land in east Texas.

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Denton

· #19 · Dec 29, 2012

I'm like Rice Paddy Daddy. South Alabama is my place. There are good and beautiful places across this nation, but I figure I'll make my stand on the land I know.
Wife and I are looking for land to make a farm, and will expect to be left alone by thugs and and the jackboots of tyrants alike. I'll march with my brothers if the nation decides it is time to exercise our second amendment responsibility. Otherwise, I believe the American dream was not to become rich and famous, but to enjoy living and allow others to do likewise.

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Verteidiger

· #20 · Dec 29, 2012

Defending your home from inside of your home is a very bad idea and will quickly lead to you being trapped, overcome, or facing fire.

We plan to defend based on a series of barricaded positions put in place when the situation requires it. We all live on a ridge top and it has commanding 360 degree views. Unless an attacker can sprout wings and fly, the attacker will be fighting uphill and encountering multiple preset and event-triggered obstacles. We will have the high ground and we will keep it. The homes are where we will sleep and eat when we're not standing guard.

When the Rodney King riots broke out, a building one of us owned at the time was commandeered by the police because of the security it provided to people inside. Lessons learned from that experience shaped some of our plans to defend our neighborhood community now, and we are not inside cities any more. Where we are co-located will prevent most issues; what will confront would-be attackers will likely be much more than enough to end any attacks.

I like our chances.

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