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Deep down, do you want SHTF?
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With all the floods, storms, fires, overpopulation, and religious killings, middle east, going on it sure looks like it will be sooner than later. Won't take much. Don't want to see it happen but end of days keeps coming to mind when I watch the news.
I think we are about to reach a tipping point when the good Lord will made an adjustment, again.
I think we are about to reach a tipping point when the good Lord will made an adjustment, again.
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And you don't think 9/11 changed the US?
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No, the people did not change. 9/11 allowed the government to grow and a systemic loss of liberty.
Its perhaps a mater of definition, but a SHTF event is one that resets all or a portion of civilization, with a likely significant loss of life (100K+).
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How could anyone in their right mind want it?
Because we face facts ,because we take precaution and prepare does not mean we want it.
No part of what is coming will be easy,many will not make it.
Want it no I pray everyday that this country wakes up.
9/11 just convinced more people to give up,it showed how they would be will to cave in in a heart beat.
Because we face facts ,because we take precaution and prepare does not mean we want it.
No part of what is coming will be easy,many will not make it.
Want it no I pray everyday that this country wakes up.
9/11 just convinced more people to give up,it showed how they would be will to cave in in a heart beat.
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America has a very short memory and we are back making the same mistakes again. Remember this administration said in a press briefing when asked about Benghazi , "Oh that was so long ago!" It had only been 3 weeks. As the old Muslim says, "They may have the watches, but we have the time." Muslims think in generations not in years. If this administration doesn't cause revolution, the Muslims will keep us busy.
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A few weeks ago I saw a scientist on Fox News proclaiming that another Carrington event will happen in the next twenty years. Right or wrong, (hopefully wrong), we prepare for disasters "just in case". I would hope no one would want a devastating event that impacts our entire country. That's not the world I want for my children, grandchildren, etc. As for former boyscout and soldier, I've always been taught to be prepared. Look at Colorado. Many people could be stranded for weeks without supplies. I fear mother nature more than I do mankind. The powers that be are not going to let this country fall into a tailspin, regardless of what people think. The most likely reason for a devastating event is going to be natural. Could be an earthquake, volcano, Carrington event, pandemic, whatever. I do what I can so I can take care of my family in a time of need.
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I almost think we NEED a shtf scenario to change things for the better.. We are on downward plunge that I don't think can be stopped unless something drastic happens.. The government is too far gone and has way too much power right now. It is time to take it down a few notches.. Look at the past 20 years at how much has changed. I am afraid to see what the next 20-30 years brings when it comes to government..
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Well said.
I couldn't agree with you more on "The powers that be are not going to let this country fall into a tailspin," There's simply NO profit in that.
I'm a little shocked to hear anyone say "I fear mother nature more than I do mankind" though. Aside from snow... What happens in Iowa? That's threatening i mean. :wink: You guys don't make national news to often.
You've got me thinking... My concerns are maybe 15/85 - mother nature / mankind. Hurricanes are a REAL possibility here. But all across the world drug use and the crime & violence associated to it is reaching EPIC proportions. And though our government isn't likely to "allow" any kind of collapse. I DO see where their mishandling international affairs, and attempting to enslave citizens is going to reach a point it could result in a collapse against their will.
Define SHTF, by one definition it occurs daily, by another (world ending event) it hasn't happened yet. To me SHTF is getting lost in the wilderness, a flat tire on a lonely stretch of road with no cell phone coverage, being a first responder to a coworker having a heart attack or being seriously injured. The power going out due to a storm, a wild fire that threatens to burn the house down. A car accident.
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A bit blurry to define, because I get your point. But my definition would be anything life altering or possibly ending to a large group of people (thousands). The same type of thing happening to smaller groups wouldn't really effect the lives of the rest of the world... So to them, no S has HTF at all. So I guess it's any "world changing event".
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Lol, not much going on here in Iowa. I suppose if Yellowstone blows, it could impact us. We have a fault line that runs close to the Mississippi river. It's said to have had such a devastating quake in the 1800's that it changed the course of the river. We have nuclear power plants along the river close to us too. That could cause problems. I guess what I'm saying is, I think a more realistic situation that impacts the country is going to be caused by nature, rather than man. I don't believe the people in power are going to let the country collapse. There are too many safeguards in place. I may not care for the politics right now, or that they are stripping away our freedoms. But, an actual EOTWAWKI event to me is most likely going to be caused for nature. In regards to people though, about the only real fear I have are more terrorist attacks on soft targets that could cripple our economy if people are afraid to go anywhere. Thankfully this hasn't happened, but it could. The one I would be most concerned about would be either a Carrington event or an EMP that destroys our electrical grid. Someone was in front of Congress a few months ago saying that if this occurred, about 90% of the population would be dead in six months. I'll have to see if I can dig the article up. I don't know how accurate that percentage is either. But, people are so dependent on electricity today and I don't think many could survive without it. Sad but true.Well said.
I couldn't agree with you more on "The powers that be are not going to let this country fall into a tailspin," There's simply NO profit in that.
I'm a little shocked to hear anyone say "I fear mother nature more than I do mankind" though. Aside from snow... What happens in Iowa? That's threatening i mean. :wink: You guys don't make national news to often.
You've got me thinking... My concerns are maybe 15/85 - mother nature / mankind. Hurricanes are a REAL possibility here. But all across the world drug use and the crime & violence associated to it is reaching EPIC proportions. And though our government isn't likely to "allow" any kind of collapse. I DO see where their mishandling international affairs, and attempting to enslave citizens is going to reach a point it could result in a collapse against their will.
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I honestly do not foresee any type of cataclysmic event hitting the USA that would kill 100,000 people. Yes we have influenza epidemics, the prospect of thermonuclear war, a nuclear meltdown, an EMP or geomagnetic storm caused by a coronal mass ejection on the Sun, tsunamis or a 9.0+ earthquake, but those once-in-a-lifetime events are probably even rarer than once in a lifetime....
What does concern me is income inequality gaps increasing, poverty increasing, people on food stamps increasing, real unemployment increasing, taxes increasing, crime increasing, population increasing, pollution increasing, and propensities towards violence and psychotic cruelty increasing....
**** homini lupus - man is wolf to man. It was true when all roads led to Rome and it is still true today when no war can be won unless the enemies can defeat America and its Allies....
I worry most about "hungry people don't stay hungry for long."
The primal instinct of self-preservation is so strong I think few will risk their own necks.
A madman may rise and cause TEOTWAWKI -- if Hitler had nukes in late 1944, we might all be speaking German, at least where life was sustainable outside of the atomic half-life decay zones.... Rogue nations with nukes are a real threat to be vigilant against.
But I mostly worry about rioting, looting, mobs out of control until law and order (or peace, as the case may be) can be restored.
When the creeps become the creepers, that is what we should all prepare for.
After all, it happens every single night....
What does concern me is income inequality gaps increasing, poverty increasing, people on food stamps increasing, real unemployment increasing, taxes increasing, crime increasing, population increasing, pollution increasing, and propensities towards violence and psychotic cruelty increasing....
**** homini lupus - man is wolf to man. It was true when all roads led to Rome and it is still true today when no war can be won unless the enemies can defeat America and its Allies....
I worry most about "hungry people don't stay hungry for long."
The primal instinct of self-preservation is so strong I think few will risk their own necks.
A madman may rise and cause TEOTWAWKI -- if Hitler had nukes in late 1944, we might all be speaking German, at least where life was sustainable outside of the atomic half-life decay zones.... Rogue nations with nukes are a real threat to be vigilant against.
But I mostly worry about rioting, looting, mobs out of control until law and order (or peace, as the case may be) can be restored.
When the creeps become the creepers, that is what we should all prepare for.
After all, it happens every single night....
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No I do not. I do not want one either.
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The hardest part of the zombie apocalypse will be hiding my excitement! :mrgreen:
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After being involved in the Colorado flooding, I hope that SHTF scenarios NEVER happen in my area. there is so much trauma and misery involved, I hope I never have to defend my loved ones against such peril.
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