[Verba Bellum]

This next Civil War is not going to be like anything the United States has ever experienced. There are many divisions and groups within the United States, it is almost impossible to keep track of them all. Many simpletons believe it'll just be a fight between the left and the right. And some think it will simply be "whites vs. everyone else." I hate to break it to you, but thats not how 4th generation warfare works. No conflict in recent history has ever had only 2 actors involved. It is going to be a free-for-all royal-rumble between hundreds of individual guerrilla organizations; all fighting to secure their interests in the U.S.. The next Civil War will see the formal emergence of AT LEAST the following groups.

1. Violent Socialist Party (A break-away group from establishment Democrats)
2. Patriot Party (Die-hard Constitutionalism, break-away from Republican establishment)
3. Al Shabaab (A violent Somali group spreading in the North)
4. Hizballah (Well trained Iranian guerrillas already caught infiltrating U.S.)
5. Thousands of different local Militia groups (Will most likely join the Patriot Party)
6. Various Mexican Paramilitary Groups: Trinitarios, Los Zetas, Sinaloa Cartel, MS-13
7. Large Biker Gangs: Hells Angels, Mongols, Etc…..
11. White Supremacists: Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, etc.
12. Black Supremacists: New Black Panthers
13. Muslim Brotherhood (And their various proxy NGOs)
14. Big business / International establishment (Ruling class and their corporate security forces)
15. Foreign Governments: Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, N.K., Canada
16. Prominent families and their mercenaries

…. Just to name a few

Chances are, one of these groups already operates in your area and I'm willing to bet that you're unaware of it. First, you need to find out WHO is in your area. Then, you need to determine their level of organization, numbers, and capabilities / sophistication. Finally, you need to prepare a defense in case the war breaks out and they decide to occupy your town.

For that last part, you'll need to familiarize yourself with defensive tactics, check out this video. And feel free to download it.

 

[Chipper]

I was always told the best defense is a good offense and not to wait for things to happen.

 

[Verba Bellum]

I would argue the opposite. The best offense is a good defense. If your enemy keeps getting split up and lured into traps, then who's actually on the offensive? Why was Stonewall so effective during the Valley Campaign? He had several thousand LESS soldiers than the Union forces, but kept winning. Why? He kept splitting up the union forces and making them run into traps.

 

[rice paddy daddy]

We live in a rural area, in the part of Florida that is still considered to be The South. There are a lot of Good Ol Boys, and not much "diversity".

However, not too far away is a city that is actually the largest in the US, by land mass. That is Jacksonville.
HERE, there is "diversity" from all over the world. The Caribbean, Central America, parts of Africa such as Somalia and Ethiopia.
At present, the biggest problem there is violent drug gangs made up of young black males. However, if there were wide spread violent unrest, there is no telling who or what would come out of the wood work.

But I don't think that would spread out here. There are enough guys with deer rifles and shotguns to nip it in the bud, and there are really no "targets" terrorists of any variety would be interested in.

As for us personally, we have a homestead on a dead end dirt road, 6 miles outside a one stop light town. We are off the "beaten path".

 

[Verba Bellum]

We live in a rural area, in the part of Florida that is still considered to be The South..

I lived in Tampa for 3 years, part of my contingency plan was to evacuate to the swamps in Zephyrhills.

And here's why:
1. 3 different Freshwater springs
2. Unlimited supply of alligator meat
3. Heavy armor vehicles can't operate in swamps
4. Bombs / explosives / missiles don't do well in swamps.. they just toss up mud... (unless of course they're air-burst)
5. Napalm doesn't go very far in swamps
6. Infantry moves slowly in swamps
7. Air-assault doesn't drop in swamps
8. Helicopters have a hard time finding landing zones
9. Plenty of overhead concealment...

Etc....

Florida is great place to find yourself in during SHTF... you just gotta know where to go.

 

[Verba Bellum]

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[Verba Bellum]

Here are a few pictures for you to check out. Check out the construction of that concrete pillbox. Just a bunch of concrete bags saturated with water and stacked on top of each other. They eventually harden and the paper bags deteriorate, simple stuff. Don't forget about bollards. You can make improvised bollards out of concrete parking blocks. Just use an auger to drill a 2' hole and lay the parking blocks upright in the hole.
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[jimcosta]

Thank You Verba Bellum for the great information. I am going over it again.

 

[Prepared One]

I've always said that if civil war comes it won't be a north/south thing, or even a left/right thing. I see more of a Balkanization then anything else. Many different factions, many different regions, all looking to get a piece of their version of what they think America should be. I don't know that there will be any winners.

 

[Back Pack Hack]

I've always said that if civil war comes it won't be a north/south thing, or even a left/right thing. I see more of a Balkanization then anything else. Many different factions, many different regions, all looking to get a piece of their version of what they think America should be. I don't know that there will be any winners.

It won't be about who's right... it'll be about who's left.

 

[Verba Bellum]

Thank You Verba Bellum for the great information. I am going over it again.

My pleasure, check out the links in the video description box. I posted links to a few military field manuals that cover this topic in a little more detail.

 

[Smitty901]

Picture of fighting positions are they same ones that are in the army infantry book for when I was first in . When it comes out here we will see you coming good luck

 

[rice paddy daddy]

I prefer freedom of movement instead of being pinned down in a bunker.

 

[Verba Bellum]

I prefer freedom of movement instead of being pinned down in a bunker.

:tango_face_grin: Fair enough. If your intel is good, then you won't run into any surprises. But if it's not, you could mosey straight on into a hornets nest. I prefer cover, concealment and evasion instead of overt operations. The one who's spotted first gets shot first. If you're good at denial ops, and you plan it right, you'll never be pinned down by infantry, you'll be the one doing the pinning. And, I would always recommend that you have at least 2 escape routes planned in advance. It's never good to be cornered with no way out. That's why I mention tunnels in the video.

 

[Verba Bellum]

I'd like to steer the conversation in the direction initially intended. This post is about defense. And more specifically, ways it can be accomplished, The debate surrounding defense and offense can go on ad nauseam. And I agree 100%, it is a debate worthy of undertaking. But if we could collaborate and share our collective knowledge on defensive tactics, this thread could become an excellent source of reference. No offense.. hahaha :vs_laugh: pun intended.

 

[Steve40th]

Get to know your neighbors , if in a rural area.. Stock pile food and supplies. Come up with plans to protect the areas. So many variables.

 

[Verba Bellum]

Knowing your terrain is essential to forming a good defense. Free topographical maps can be downloaded here https://viewer.nationalmap.gov/basic/

You can have the maps printed on A1 or 2'x3' at any print shop for about $5

 

[jimcosta]

I am part of a 50 adult group survival retreat in Florida. I would appreciate a review of our defensive plans.

Let me start with a post I made on another thread a week ago:

First of all lets play a mind game. If we take any defensive location for the SHTF event, lets draw a circle around it so that it takes in 60 persons. (the size of the circle does not matter as any position will have 60 persons around it at differing ranges.)
Now let's assume you have X number of adults in your group.

What is the probability that (four times X) intruders come together to outnumber you? The four times is a very low number of Force Multiplier by being in a prepared defensive position. This number is the High Probability of danger to you.

Next what is the probability of that group locating you and your hidden supplies? That is the Low Probability number.

This might give you a range of say 30% to 5% danger to you if you dig in and hide your location well.
Over time the High number should decrease as the 60 persons within your circle die out.
So my point here is to not only defensively prepare yourself but also do whatever you can to hide yourself.

Here is a link to two articles generally about our defensive plan.

Security Overall Plan

Security Focus Group

Other Security Articles on that website:

Security (Page Number & Panel Number)
..2 ...14... Security Focus Group.
..4 ...24... Security Overall Plan
..5 ...38... Communications
..5 ...41... Local Defense Only.
..5 ...43... Bear Proof Doors
..5 ...45... Cheap Uniforms
..5 ...32... Gunsmith Manual

Note: Nothing there gives our location away. Some details are red herrings.

I would appreciate all SERIOUS comments. They would be a great help to me. Thanks

 

[Old SF Guy]

This next Civil War is not going to be like anything the United States has ever experienced. There are many divisions and groups within the United States, it is almost impossible to keep track of them all. Many simpletons believe it'll just be a fight between the left and the right. And some think it will simply be "whites vs. everyone else." I hate to break it to you, but thats not how 4th generation warfare works. No conflict in recent history has ever had only 2 actors involved. It is going to be a free-for-all royal-rumble between hundreds of individual guerrilla organizations; all fighting to secure their interests in the U.S.. The next Civil War will see the formal emergence of AT LEAST the following groups.

1. Violent Socialist Party (A break-away group from establishment Democrats)
2. Patriot Party (Die-hard Constitutionalism, break-away from Republican establishment)
3. Al Shabaab (A violent Somali group spreading in the North)
4. Hizballah (Well trained Iranian guerrillas already caught infiltrating U.S.)
5. Thousands of different local Militia groups (Will most likely join the Patriot Party)
6. Various Mexican Paramilitary Groups: Trinitarios, Los Zetas, Sinaloa Cartel, MS-13
7. Large Biker Gangs: Hells Angels, Mongols, Etc…..
11. White Supremacists: Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, etc.
12. Black Supremacists: New Black Panthers
13. Muslim Brotherhood (And their various proxy NGOs)
14. Big business / International establishment (Ruling class and their corporate security forces)
15. Foreign Governments: Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, N.K., Canada
16. Prominent families and their mercenaries

…. Just to name a few

Chances are, one of these groups already operates in your area and I'm willing to bet that you're unaware of it. First, you need to find out WHO is in your area. Then, you need to determine their level of organization, numbers, and capabilities / sophistication. Finally, you need to prepare a defense in case the war breaks out and they decide to occupy your town.

For that last part, you'll need to familiarize yourself with defensive tactics, check out this video. And feel free to download it.

Many true points here... The issue is not how we are different....but how we are the same....example? The blacks, Muslim Brotherhood, Al shabab, Iran, etc will have a reason to join together....
So to will the Aryan brotherhood, biker gangs, militia, and even the mexican drug cartels. The key will be who will the other countries endorse or join, and who will the wealthy finance?

The cartels need no money...nor do the arabs... The splinter groups, socialist, Aryan Nation, and militias do. The wealthy industrialist lose all money when nobody works, nobody buys, and nobody invests....Electronic currency has its limitations....as does "Investment properties, etc.

In the end it will come down to ideas....we, here in the Americas... don't really like government that much...and religion is a personal thing.....I'm betting on my ability to make alliances over some ******* ****er spouting covert or die.

 

[Old SF Guy]

I am part of a 50 adult group survival retreat in Florida. I would appreciate a review of our defensive plans.

Let me start with a post I made on another thread a week ago:

First of all lets play a mind game. If we take any defensive location for the SHTF event, lets draw a circle around it so that it takes in 60 persons. (the size of the circle does not matter as any position will have 60 persons around it at differing ranges.)
Now let's assume you have X number of adults in your group.

What is the probability that (four times X) intruders come together to outnumber you? The four times is a very low number of Force Multiplier by being in a prepared defensive position. This number is the High Probability of danger to you.

Next what is the probability of that group locating you and your hidden supplies? That is the Low Probability number.

This might give you a range of say 30% to 5% danger to you if you dig in and hide your location well.
Over time the High number should decrease as the 60 persons within your circle die out.
So my point here is to not only defensively prepare yourself but also do whatever you can to hide yourself.

Here is a link to two articles generally about our defensive plan.

Security Overall Plan

Security Focus Group

Other Security Articles on that website:

Security (Page Number & Panel Number)
..2 ...14... Security Focus Group.
..4 ...24... Security Overall Plan
..5 ...38... Communications
..5 ...41... Local Defense Only.
..5 ...43... Bear Proof Doors
..5 ...45... Cheap Uniforms
..5 ...32... Gunsmith Manual

Note: Nothing there gives our location away. Some details are red herrings.

I would appreciate all SERIOUS comments. They would be a great help to me. Thanks

In all honesty....when you have to put thoughts in like " a spare long gun in case of malfunctions" it shows a serious lack of skill. Not that having extra weapons is bad.... but in todays world, were there re literally 100,000's of combat veterans....an unskilled group will lose. It does come down to skill and tactics. Your tactics are good against most low skilled, low strengthed threats.... a competing group, say one that is keen on dominating areas and simply using you as an expansion of force...would easily defeat you.... not by killing you....but rather by out evil'ing you and making you understand joining is better than dying. The mongols perfected this and many have done so since....the latest being the Nazi's...but they failed by not allowing the folks a sense of self as Ghangis did.

In the end...good planning like you have applied is great...good training and good experience makes the difference...and good tactics on the fly makes the win.