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We live in the upper part of Michigan,near lake Superior.there are no major airports here only small rural ones and they have the small passenger jets to link to larger airports.these smaller jets will always go south or west to the bigger cities and I never see or hear them.for the past two or three days while I have been walking the dog,(twice a day we walk in the woods)or tending the veggies I have seen many aircraft high in the sky leaving contrails.we rarely see this as far north as we are. at first I thought that they were coming from Minnesota like twin cities but we are farther north then that they are always going from west to east after they pass us I can just barely hear them and they are leaving four distinct trails up in the sky.has anybody else noticed this too?.I am thinking they are military like B-52's possibly.
our summer and fall have been really clear this year without a lot of rain so, If any were up there I would have seen them.I am wondering if anybody else has seen this recently.this afternoon there are some more contrails in the sky so, I think when I walk the dog I will bring my binos with and see if I can ID these planes.:???:
 

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Check out FlightAware - Flight Tracker / Flight Status / Flight Tracking .Commercial and private traiffic that is talking to Air Traffic Control ATC will show on the screen. On the left hand side
of the screen just type in whatever the closest 4 letter airport code to you is and a screen for your area will show with all traffic except military will show.
Try an airport in N MI maybe Alpena and the code is KAPN or maybe Duluth/KDLH and once the screen shows you can move it to your area using the mouse.

Went to Whitefish bay a few years ago and drove all around the eastern part of the U P, what a beautiful area!

Ps, forgot to add on the flightaware screen just run your mouse to an aircraft on the screen and a datablock will appear this the airline code like DAL = Delta and flight number
, and aircraft type like B772 = Boeing 777-200 series. Next line will show altitude and ground speed in knots and last line will show origin and destination. Enjoy!
 

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I just flew home (to Minneapolis-St Paul) from Lansing, MI yesterday. We left Lansing and went north-west until we were due north of the Twin Cities, then headed due south. I am guessing it is because of the winds. When going from the summer winds to the winter winds, everything gets messed up.
 

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With my binos they look like military,seeing them again today.tried flighttracker and my scanner on all known civvie and mil/coastie aircraft freqs.nothing.they are amazingly fast.like I stated before,we do not see this very often.not alarming but,just weird to me.maybe training in progress,burning fuel and flight time before the shut down.who knows.
 

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You have no idea how many times I have debated people about the chemtrail/contrail difference. LOL
 

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I am not going to say there is no such thing as a chemtrail. I will simply say that the video or snapshot evidence is not evidence at all.

Contrail linger time is dependent on a combination of height from surface, surface height, moisture saturation and wind. The lingering presence of a contrail does not mean it is chock full of malevolently-introduced chemicals. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of concerns to be pondered with regard to jet fuels, and I ponder them often as I work in aviation and am subjected to the exhaust of turbine engines on a daily basis.

The real evidence is in the documents that have been acquired in the last few years.
 

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That was possibly the first time I've watched something on this topic and not thought the author needed to stop reading fairy tales and taking 'shrooms.

I have two questions. The first is how did they get "amateur" video from behind and above a plane allegedly leaving these trails? There were multiple instances on that film from angles that would require a chase plane. If this was a big conspiracy, would there not have been jets scrambled to escort the chase planes away, or at least some kind of FAA intervention?

The second is a hard question because I'm sure it's impossible to answer without being involved (granting for a moment that there is something happening), but what would we do to defend against a pathogen designed to weaken our immune system? I had the best vaccination in the world growing up... I played in a sandbox and climbed trees. Pretty much superman'd my immune system right from the get go. In the past few years I have gone through periods where I feel, not sick, but almost sick. I know my immune system is fighting it off and I don't think much of it, but if this were true it could be a possible explanation.

I'm not a believer, I'm just curious to discuss it.
 

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Do a search for "chemtrail patents" and you will find dozens of patents for devices that can disperse micronized materials from aircraft. Aluminum oxide is often cited as the material to be dispersed, and many of the patents cite "global warming" or "weather control" as the underlying reason.

Researchers have determined the spray produces much higher than normal amounts of aluminum, barium, and strontium in the soil in areas under heavy concentrations of chemtrails. Many traditional crops are unable to grow in soils that have a high concentration of aluminum.

Monsanto has developed GMO varieties that can grow in soils with high aluminum concentrations. I linked to the actual patent in an earlier post. Research conducted at Cornell lead to this development, and that research was funded by our government (and other interested parties) That particular patent is jointly owned by our government and a Brazillian concern.

Several bills have been introduced seeking to limit or outlaw our ability to grow our own food. Although an exception was made (due to public outcry) for producers who grow under $500,000 worth of crops, the original bill would have made it illegal to have a garden or save seeds. (H.R.2749 - Food Safety Enhancement Act)

Related bills include; H.R.759 - Food and Drug Administration Globalization Act of 2009, H.R.875 - Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009

If you think this is just a wild conspiracy theory, do your own research. Draw your own conclusions.
 

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Haarp
 

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I'm not sure if HAARP is related or not, but it could be.

Since my first thread on chemtrails, I have been looking up more. They were spraying again the other day, and I clearly saw one trail in particular as it abruptly started. I have also seen, first hand, chemtrails in the sky at the same time as normal contrails. The contrails dissipated while the chemtrails just spread. I suppose it is possible that these were at different alttudes or something, but the regular grid-like patterns of the persistent ones make me believe they are something else.

Someone suggested that the first vid was suspect because the images seemed to be from chase planes. I don't have enough information to address this with any certainty, but there could be several possibilities here. They might have been faked. They might have been leaked and did come from chase planes. They could have been taken from "normal" aircraft at a considerable distance. Some of them. like the first sequence, were obviously taken from the ground. Note that the trails aren't coming from the wingtips or the engines. As for the rest... hard to say where they came from.
 

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Are there training sites around there? Possibly fuel dumping? Not that this is healthy, but not sinister.
 

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Well, it's not just around here, but there could be training sites. I have watched what appears to be the same aircraft as it lays down parallel lines of this stuff. They first go east to west, go out of sight, then come back west to east. The lines are parallel and I have seen 8 or 9 of them that cover as far as I can see. A few hours later, they are all mingled and blot out the whole sky. I doubt this is a fuel dump.

This doesn't mean there is some evil plot to poison the soil so that only GMO crops will grow. It doesn't mean that the powers that be ultimately seek to have a tight control over our food supplies in order to control the masses and rape us with obscene profits. Maybe the dots don't connect.

Then again, maybe they do.
 
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I say HAARP because of climate control, which they may be using the chemicals as a way to do that, yes?

Maybe?
 

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It might well be part of the same scheme, whatever that might be. I do think HAARP figures into this, but I'm not sure exactly how.
 

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Interesting pic of the turn around point in a chemtrail pattern...

chemtrail turns.png
 

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What Chemtrails Are Doing To Your Brain - Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock

 
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