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I think it would probly be the Hi Point
I have so many point od disagreement with the aobe that it's hard to pick a point to start with.It used to be the Star BM 9mm compact, but as more people learned how great they are, like the sks, they've climbed up to $300 in price, but they are still a bargain. Go to GunBroker.com or GunsAmerica.com to look at them. The Phoenix Arms $100 retail HP22 is a fine choice, also, cause only rarely do you have to actually "shoot the man into the ground" with powerful hits to the chest. Most often, just the sight of your (ready) gun suffices, or if not, oftentimes, shots that miss will suffice, or poor hits, or "mere" .22 hits (good ones, swiftlly delivered) suffice.
Btw, the Mosin is a bad joke. It was a clunker when it was new. There is no reason to settle for a bolt action for anything, these days. The 223 AR 15's have plenty of accuracy for varmints, or 600 yd sniping, as a matter of fact, that's plenty of range, since very few people can reliablly hit the cover-using head of a prone sniper at 100 yds, much less 600 yds!The used, $400 Remington autoloading sporting rifle in 308, can use cheap milsurp practice ammo, hunt with premium softpoints of course, and is plenty accurate enough for large game, 2MOA groups or better. It offers the rapidfire you might need if you get charged, have to deal with a rabid animal or dog pack, or men, too. If you can't afford the $200 difference between a Mosin and an SKs, how in God's name can you afford to fire the several thousand rds per year need to stay a top hand at snapshooting, much less get that good in the first place? If you are that broke, a .22lr is all you can afford to be skilled with. Better to be a top hand with a "mere" .22autoloader than to be a slow, inaccurate shottist with a Mosin, for sure!
Blah . b;ah . blah......same crap we've heard from you a thousand times before on a hundred different forums that you were/have been tossed off of.the further away you are from the man, the less power you need to hit him with. he can't hit you from 600 yds BEFORE he took the 223 hit, and afterwards, he will be unable to concentrate on anything much.The fact that you disagree so much just means that you don't know much. I would not attempt a 600 yd shot with a short barreled AR. But with the full sized 20" barrel, it's quite feasible to do so. If you "think" that taking the 1.5 seconds per repeat shots necessary with a Mosin is a good idea in a combat weapon, as vs the .25 second needed by the 223 autorifle, there is simply no point in talking to you any further. You live in a dream world. The LOSERS of ww2 tried to use bolt actions against our autorifles, remember?
Only BRAIN hits reliably stop large animals instantly, that is what is needed for stopping charges, regardless of caliber. If you "think" that a 223 softpoint to the brain won't pop his eyeballs out of his skull, you don't know anything about the subject. If your AR's are set up to be too slow to use in combat, shame on you. They are certainly still a LOT faster for repeat hits than any bolt action could ever hope to be.
Small game, dogs, cats, livestock are far more commonly encountered than even deer, and 22lr's to the head drop deer in their tracks, to 50 yds. Bowhunters get much closer than that to deer, thousands of times per year, even in legal season, without the foraging aids of jacklighting, bait, etc. Sport hunting for trophy males has NOTHING to do with foraging for food. But almost no hunters can understand that difference.
Save it , because tell ya what there CLOWN , and I've got the *direct* experience to back it up , a 7.62 x 54r is a *much* better choice as regards large game than 7.62 x 39 , which of course is ballistically in the same neighborhood as .30-30 , but it won't carry as heavy a slug as efficiently............now try and dispute that one and I'll deluge ya with enough loading data to choke a horse.........from MY logs , not from some magazine article.reloading ANY centerfire rifle cartridge leaves you at 15c per shot. So the difference between a mosin and an sks is just a mere 2000 rds of shooting, which is NOTHING if you are trying to learn to be swift and accurate. Taking 5 times as long for repeat shots, with the Mosin, as vs an sks, is just stupid.
Just did a very quick search on GunsAmerica and for less than $250 (still need shipping and transfer fee) there are over 50 CZ-83's in 9x18 Mak and almost 200 38 Special Revolvers Mostly Taurus and Rossi. Both of these guns are a lot more durable and easier to carry than a High Point. Remember that while a Mosin Rifle is cheap it is also hell for stout. Something I doubt a High Point is.LCP or P3-AT in pocket solves the sand issue.