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There is a lot of conversation surrounding bug out vehicles. What is the best? What is the most powerful? Which is fastest? Do you use gas, diesel or multi-fuel? Do you go big, small or in the middle? All of which are great topics for debate. But what happens when the fuel runs out? When the oil pan gets punctured and you throw a rod through the block? A softball sized hole gets punched through your radiator? The logistics and support for keeping that vehicle running is extensive. Parts, spare tires, tools, fuel, oil, water, belts, hoses etc. In a true bug-out situation, you could feasibly need a small parts store to maintain it. And you need an extensive know how to fix it.

Better yet, your bug out plan met unforeseen issues that caused serious delays and now the roads are so clogged, you can't get anywhere to begin with. Now what? Ever try to conceal a large vehicle "johnny on the spot"? I don't know too many diesels that are all that quiet either. I am not discounting the value of these vehicles by any means. I'd love nothing better than to have a Ma Deuce sitting in my back yard ready to go. But what about an alternative? Maybe even a primary BOV.

The bicycle has been used by the armed forces of the world since at least the late 1800's. Bicycles have been used in each World War, and Vietnam. The Danish, the Finnish, British and even Americans used them. In Vietnam, the Viet-Cong used them to ferry supplies down the Ho-Chi Minh Trail. Of the most famous, are the Swiss Army Bikes, still in use today.

So why not a bug out vehicle? As I had posted in another thread regarding the benefit of a bicycle for exercise and why I like them, I also posted the following regarding their value as a BOV;

Bicycles for bug-out have a lot of flexibility. You can tow things with them; the little carts you see people pulling their small children around in make great supply trailers. They can be outfitted to hold weapons; Hunters outfit bikes all the time. It allows them to quickly and quietly get into areas that motor vehicles aren't allowed to go. You don't have to worry about fuel. They're easily concealable behind bushes, in ditches or wherever you happen to be. They are easy to work on with a few simple tools and, with a couple of specialized tools, there is nothing you can't do to them. Bikes are everywhere and spare parts, such as chains, tires, wheels, inner-tubes, brakes, bearings etc., are easy to come by, or, a whole 'nother bike if that's what it takes. They're great for quickly and quietly moving through, or, in and out of areas that you don't necessarily want to attract attention, especially at night. And, if you really need it, you can buy a kit for less than $250 and mount an engine on it for emergencies (creating distance) or those really steep hills that you just don't feel like climbing. These engines get about 150 miles to the gallon and, depending on overall weight/load and gearing, you'll see speeds of 15 to 30 mph. As I said, my top speed is about 15 mph, maybe a little more. My cruising speed is about 10mph, at a nice gentle pace I enjoy. I can only maintain that for so long. Lance Armstrong I am not. But that little engine can maintain that 15 mph as a minimal speed until it overheats or runs out of fuel. Once fuel becomes an issue/non-existent, simply remove the engine and it's other components and go. So bicycles not only provide me with the exercise I need, and make it mostly enjoyable, but they also meet my "get the hell out of here" needs.

It is not much more effort, as long you have trained for it some, to haul a hundred, even two hundred pounds of gear between your bicycle and a trailer. You make much faster time on a bike than on foot, especially a vehicle stuck in deadlocked traffic. And, if you choose to bug out in a motor vehicle, bicycle's make a great secondary means of escape. Load necessities in the trailer(s) and go.

Whether a primary way to bug out, or as a back-up, bicycles should not be discounted as part of the overall plan. Fuel will only last so long; both in quantity and quality/usability, no matter how much stabilizer you add. A bug out survival plan of any merit has redundant back-up plans. A bicycle should be one of them. And a legitimate one at that.
 

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I have 2 decent mountain bikes, thanks for the reminder, I was going to pick up some extra tubes.
And that is a fantastic start! Wikipedia has some great write-ups on Military Bicycles and there are lot's of photo's on Google to start getting ideas for set-ups.
 
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The big thing to remember about bikes is balance, if your BoB is 50 or 60 lbs or more that is going to make you very top heavy, you would defiantly want to practice with your bike with that kind of weight. would not be so hot getting half a mile down the road and let your bag take you down and break something. another special reminder to lighten your load.........
A great point. As with any two wheeled vehicle, it is super important to balance your load. Saddle bags are great as they keep the center of gravity low. A luggage rack is good too, but you really have to watch the weight that high up (top loading). That's when it can get weird and you find yourself just kind of leaning over until you hit the ground. A lot of that can dealt with by simply hooking up a cart to the bike and towing it behind with your gear.
 

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Bicycle Wheel Tire Bicycles--Equipment and supplies Crankset


This is the "Apocalypse Bike". Other photos are of some Old School Swiss Army Bikes and one a little more modern...

Wheel Bicycle Tire Bicycles--Equipment and supplies Crankset
Bicycle Tire Wheel Bicycles--Equipment and supplies Bicycle wheel
Bicycle Tire Wheel Bicycles--Equipment and supplies Bicycle frame


As you can see, there is a lot of potential.
 
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One of the reasons I'd choose bicycle is noise. Those little engines can be quite noisey and can make it impossible for you to hear, but more importantly they can make you an easy target heard for some distance. I would think if I could use one of those I could probably use my pick up as well and would prefer the later. How loud are they? I have no experience with them and had thought about the electric kind that charge up as you pedal? I realize they have little power but being able to ride and not pedal for some distance would be helpful.
They're 2-Stroke and about as loud as a chain saw at full throttle. The last time I checked, there were sound deadening baffles available. If I were to attach an engine to my bicycle, it would be strictly for emergencies where it was crucial (life may depend on it) that I created as much distance as I could, as quickly as I could. They can maintain a higher speed for a much longer time than I can. For me, stealth is one of the top factors for owning a bicycle. I want to keep it that way if at all possible.
 
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Discussion Starter · #18 · (Edited)
Good thread the Switzerland army is well know for their use of bicycles especially because of their citizen army. A small engine would be a great help and could be removed when necessary, and I was surprised just how cheap they were.
KingsMotorBikes.com - 2 Stroke Bicycle Engine Kits - 2 Stroke Gas Bicycle Engine Kits

After years of trail riding I came to the conclusion that one of the best vehicles to get you around in almost any situation is a small trail bike like the Honda xr-80 especially if you are with a few other riders. It is light enough that it can be lifted over downed trees get up to 50 mph on the road 100 puss miles to a gallon of gas, 5 gears for different situations ( I would put a bigger sprocket on the rear wheel). But a bicycle with an engine would be good as you could just remove the engine if it went out in the middle of a forest.
Now the question: do you want a 2 cycle or 4 cycle engine.

PS: You can buy foam filled or air free bicycle tires so you would never have to worry about getting a flat.
I would prefer a 4-Stroke for noise reduction and longer rides, but weight and size wise, a 2-Stroke is more practical, less expensive and overall, easier to maintain. The drawback to 2-Strokes however is the noise, the need for mixed gas and you can only run them so long before you have to shut them down and let them cool off. Which in my case, would be exactly when I needed it most. However, I have a 3 Horse Briggs and a 3 Horse Tecumseh I'm in the middle of re-building that are destined for use on motorized bicycles that will have an early 1900's replica "board track racer" look.

If someone should choose, or decide they absolutely had to have an engine on their bike and it had to be a 4-Stroke, I highly and absolutely recommend a 3 Horse Briggs or Tecumseh engine. They are cheap to come by; I got mine at a thrift shop for $5 each (they were on a couple of donated lawn edgers). There are a billion You Tube videos showing how to work on or build them (donyboy73/honeybunchickens). The parts are cheap and available (E-Bay), specialized tools (not many) are inexpensive and they are actually very easy to work on. Other options for 4-Stroke engines are gas powered pressure washers. The pumps on these things go out way before an engine does and people are looking to just get rid of them. This is a good way to get a Honda engine with OHV's.

And as I stated in an earlier post; Absolutely. When that engine is no longer of any use, away it goes. I don't need or want the extra useless weight. I might consider tossing it in the trailer for trading stock, but I wouldn't hang on to it for long.
 

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Great info Lazerus!!!!!
 

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Nice bike Laz.
 

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At work a few years back, they bought some industrial tricycles, heavy duty something like 550lbs carrying cap. Ok, a tricycle as opposed to a bike, would have the disadvantage of not being able to squeeze through some tight spots a bike would. but the sheer weight carrying ability and the stability of three wheels over two. I don't know, what do ya think?
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I like it Murph. The only drawback I see is the one you've already mentioned. And cornering. Wouldn't be able to take corners as fast I don't think. But the stability and load capacity are definite winners!
 
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